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2021 XD P4X - Issues with pre detonation (pinging) and running rich

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I have a 21 P4X (5.6 gas before someone asks . . . Yes - I know, there is no 21 diesel - but I have still gotten asked) that seems to have some issues related to types of fuel. In general when running around town I have run 87 octane with the occasional 91 octane. In the past week I have noticed pinging when driving at 30 mph between 1,000 and 2,000 RPM. It goes away pretty quickly - but it's noticeable. I just filled up with 91 octane and will listen to see if that gets rid of the problem. I have a white truck - and there has always been a fair amount of soot near the exhaust at the read of the truck. I don't have many other things to indicate it's running rich - but I have owned a pile of vehicles and not many have exhausts with as much soot at this truck.

My guess - with the pinging - I am thinking I could have just gotten some crappy gas and knock sensor does it 's job . . .?? On the running rich -I bought the truck as a new demo (had 3,000 miles on it) and I have 34,000 miles now. No idea what the deal is there. Anyone have a similar issue?

I have over 15,000 miles towing (bumper pull) a 9,000 + camper. I typically run premium when towing as it seems to help with shifting a tiny bit at highway speeds and/or climbing steep grades with a heavy load. Most other driving is city - 7 miles round trips in stop and go traffic. I have not noticed a difference regular vs premium gas when driving without a trailer.

Anyone else have any issues with gas, running rich or pinging?
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My 2012 with essentially the same motor has the same issue in the summer in Texas. When I run 87 octane, taking off from stop lights under medium loads will have slight pinging for the first few hundred RPMs. The only way I've gotten it to stop is running E85. Running premium should also have the same effect.

Running premium or E85 allows the ECM to pull less timing do to premature detonation(Pinging). The only reason I can see your shifts being improved is the ECM is pulling less timing, and torque management is having to intervein less. One trick you could try is to cool the intake air by bypassing the coolant lines that go through the throttle body. If your in a warm climate, your just dumping heat into your throttle body, raising the incoming air temp. The whole reason coolant is run through the throttle body is to warm up the combustion gases faster for better emissions.
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My 2012 with essentially the same motor has the same issue in the summer in Texas. When I run 87 octane, taking off from stop lights under medium loads will have slight pinging for the first few hundred RPMs. The only way I've gotten it to stop is running E85. Running premium should also have the same effect.

Running premium or E85 allows the ECM to pull less timing do to premature detonation(Pinging). The only reason I can see your shifts being improved is the ECM is pulling less timing, and torque management is having to intervein less. One trick you could try is to cool the intake air by bypassing the coolant lines that go through the throttle body. If your in a warm climate, your just dumping heat into your throttle body, raising the incoming air temp. The whole reason coolant is run through the throttle body is to warm up the combustion gases faster for better emissions.
I didn't realize these trucks could run E85. We do have 89 octane - which is E15. I could give that a shot and see if it makes a difference.
I didn't realize these trucks could run E85. We do have 89 octane - which is E15. I could give that a shot and see if it makes a difference.
I’m not sure if the newer trucks can run e85. When I bought my 2012, I specifically bought a flex fuel truck. You should be fine running e15, it would be worth researching if the newer trucks are flex fuel.
I’m not sure if the newer trucks can run e85. When I bought my 2012, I specifically bought a flex fuel truck. You should be fine running e15, it would be worth researching if the newer trucks are flex fuel.
Just grabbed the manual - they so no to e85 and e15. Recommend premium, 87 if you have to.
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Just grabbed the manual - they so no to e85 and e15. Recommend premium, 87 if you have to.
Wow that’s a shame Nissan got rid of flex fuel, and recommend premium. It was nice to have the option on my 2012.
I believe it has to do with direct injection on the newer engines. Our ‘16 Frontier was DI and very picky about fuel.
I run the E88 on my 2020 and have had no issues.
I run the E88 on my 2020 and have had no issues.
That’s the equivalent of e15 in my area, which should be fine. You might be a little lean but your ecm would compensate with readings from the o2 sensors.
That’s the equivalent of e15 in my area, which should be fine. You might be a little lean but your ecm would compensate with readings from the o2 sensors.
I actually didn’t realize our manuals say no to the E15, I’m going to stop using it. Not worth having an issue down the road.
Just adding My experience here. We have a 2020 XD gaser, run 87 octane 99% of the time. Never heard any pinging that I recall. As a test We ran premium fuel on a portation of a trip pulling a heavily loaded enclosed trailer and while yes we had a slight increase in power and less down shifting but fuel economy also took a hit which makes sense cause the ecm is then allowing for more HP essentialy. We played around between 87 and 92 octane back and forth to validate the findings and according to the trip computer running the 87 was definitely showing better mpg. As another factor, I use the adaptive cruise control everyday, all day which I have found sets up a driver profile in the way the tranny shifts to downshift way to much. The clown who programed the adapitive cruise control probably is from overseas and never has driven a car. With adaptive cruise when i change lanes from behind a vehicle or if it exits the highway, my truck will drop from 9th down to 6th gear, and go into what my wife and i joke as road rage mode to make up for the 3-4 mph that we lost while driving behind a slower vehicle. Saying all this as i guess thats why our truck does not ping running 87 fuel due to the physco aggressive driver profile the cruise control system uses thus the truck is always staying in lower gears at the slightest hill or need for acceleration. I noticed twice after getting ecm updates from the dealer how the tranny shifts much better for a day with a wiped profile, but 2 days of using adaptive cruise it is back to ridiculous downshifts. Sorry for the long winded message.
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Just adding My experience here. We have a 2020 XD gaser, run 87 octane 99% of the time. Never heard any pinging that I recall. As a test We ran premium fuel on a portation of a trip pulling a heavily loaded enclosed trailer and while yes we had a slight increase in power and less down shifting but fuel economy also took a hit which makes sense cause the ecm is then allowing for more HP essentialy. We played around between 87 and 92 octane back and forth to validate the findings and according to the trip computer running the 87 was definitely showing better mpg. As another factor, I use the adaptive cruise control everyday, all day which I have found sets up a driver profile in the way the tranny shifts to downshift way to much. The clown who programed the adapitive cruise control probably is from overseas and never has driven a car. With adaptive cruise when i change lanes from behind a vehicle or if it exits the highway, my truck will drop from 9th down to 6th gear, and go into what my wife and i joke as road rage mode to make up for the 3-4 mph that we lost while driving behind a slower vehicle. Saying all this as i guess thats why our truck does not ping running 87 fuel due to the physco aggressive driver profile the cruise control system uses thus the truck is always staying in lower gears at the slightest hill or need for acceleration. I noticed twice after getting ecm updates from the dealer how the tranny shifts much better for a day with a wiped profile, but 2 days of using adaptive cruise it is back to ridiculous downshifts. Sorry for the long winded message.
Thanks for the info on that. I just pulled my camper for the first time with my 2020 XD. Pulled it on a two hour trip using the E88 and while I don't expect great mileage towing I only saw 7.5mpg. I'm going to switch back to use 87 and see if it makes a difference in that department. I only got around 8mpg pulling the same camper with my 2021 Silverado 3500 gasser so it's no big deal other than the small gas tanks on the XD suck. I will say the 9 speed transmission in the Titan allows it to perform better towing than the 6 speed that the Silverado has.

I know exactly what you are talking about with the adaptive cruise. I don't use it specifically because of that.
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