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Ecodiesel is known to grenade at 60k miles or less. Ford has no real world proof of MPG yet, do they? Neither truck can or should ever tow what the XD can tow. Plus Cummins should last much longer than the others IMO. Didn't ram just get in trouble for lying about the ecodiesel?
To add to your point about the Ford (30 year Ford F250 guy before my XD) the new "gas to diesel 6 cylinder is a bad choice. I get technology and "smarter" in today's world but if Detroit Diesel couldn't do it well, who was part of GM and the original designer of the 6.2 and 6.5 GM diesel then I don't think gas to diesel can be done.
Esepcially not today when operating temps have to run 210 vice the old IDIs 185 degrees.
Don't get me wrong, I actually thought the 6.2 and 6.5 was a pretty decent design but very unforgiving when it came to maintenance.
Maybe my old brand will get it done but I'm not holding my breath on a gas converted engine.
 

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I also traded a GDE equipped Eco Diesel that always got 21 intown and 26 highway. This was after a 3 inch lift with 34s, so I'm a ttle disappointed with 16 around town and hitting the pump almost every couple of days, once full gauge says 360 miles until empty. The Eco with 26 gallon tank 500 plus easy.
BUT...with your new XD you too can tow a 42' Forest River with 4 slides and loaded out at 11750 lbs and get 10MPG when towing sensibly. Handles it like a dream. Mine is stock and the only add on is air bags which was overkill on my part....Don't think the Eco Diesel gives you that capability. Now you might say today...."well I'm not going to tow a fifth wheel"
.....but you might?.....if you know you can?
 

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I have a Platinum Reserve with the 5.0 Cummins. About the best fuel mileage I can get is 15 MPG not towing anything. The Dodges get 25 plus and Ford is advertising 30. It's a sweetheart of a truck, very responsive, leans into a load good when towing like you would expect from the Cummins, but it's a fuel hog. Between the lousy fuel mileage and small fuel tank, you're stopping frequently to either add fuel or add DEF!
I just towed 11,750 lbs over three trips in my 2017 XD SV 2WD for a total of almost 2000 miles in over 100 degree ambient and never added a drop of DEF.
My towing mileage is between 9.5 and 10.5 at that weight (depending on winds and hills).
I drive to Austin during the week for a total of 120 miles plus round trip every day and at 65-70MPH I average 19.5 all day long (hand calculated not computer).
If you are adding DEF all the time and only getting that mileage then you drive in town all the time (start and stop) and put very miles on your rig.
You may want to consider trading for a gas engine.
By the way, I drove Ford F250 diesels for 30 plus years and since the Advent of the 6.9. I never got the mileage all those "soccer dad's" and "deer lease haulers" claimed they got or get in their Fords.....and no one is getting 25MPG in a Dodge 2500 or up diesel. I'd bet a couple paychecks on it??
 

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I didn't mean to badmouth the baby Cummins. It's a sweet engine. In all fairness my P Reserve has less than 5,000 miles on it. The mileage I reported from was a ski trip to Jackdon, WY. Speed ranged from 75-90 MPH. I recognize you can't go fast cheap!! I just thought it should do a little better. I am kind of spoiled, I'm accustomed to a VW TDI that gets 40 MPG under the same conditions and additionally has a range of 500 miles or more on a tank of diesel. And since the Germans cheated it will go 15-20,000 miles before requiring DEF. Is that awesome or what??
If it makes you feel any better?..I bought a "blown up" 1985 VW Jetta Diesel in 1990 for my wife. Rebuilt the motor (with a little cussing and broken knuckles) and put it back on the road. That little jem got 35 MPG then and it was quite a bit heavier than than the new TDI today I'm guessing. Point being....you can't expect to get the same fuel mileage out of any pickup that you get out of a VW diesel car.
....and to be honest I don't think the Germans cheated?...I think they were realistic about consumer expectations and the fact is, even with the programming "issue" the EPA claimed the car still got better fuel mileage than it's American counterparts and NOX levels were still lower than most. The EPA and Justice Department were just cash hungry for the Federal government and were looking to fill the "empty coffers" they created. Kinda like the way they sued Blue Bell Ice Cream.....I mean really? Blue Bell Ice Cream lol?
 

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Kinda like the way they sued Blue Bell Ice Cream.....I mean really? Blue Bell Ice Cream lol?
Bluebell knew for at least a month their ice cream was killing people and didn’t discontinue producing it until they were forced to .........talk about money hungry murders.

After the big plant clean-ups they still produced contaminated crap and had to shut down again.

They should have been put out of business.......maybe the civil suits will do that.
Cmon dude... really? So what you're saying is a board room full of folks in Brenham, Texas just said one day...."Ah **** our ice cream is killing old folks in their eighties and nineties with listeria from our plant....the **** with it
boys let em keep dying and just keep that ice cream coming!"....

I'm not buying it. There are bad people and business out there but those folks aren't that stupid and greedy. Okay....back to Titan stuff??
 

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Cmon dude... really? So what you're saying is a board room full of folks in Brenham, Texas just said one day...."Ah **** our ice cream is killing old folks in their eighties and nineties with listeria from our plant....the **** with it
boys let em keep dying and just keep that ice cream coming!"....

I'm not buying it. There are bad people and business out there but those folks aren't that stupid and greedy. Okay....back to Titan stuff??
They did exactly what I said...........be sure and get you a double dip on the way home. /forum/images/CumminsTitan/smilies/tango_face_grin.png/forum/images/CumminsTitan/smilies/tango_face_grin.png


Experts call Blue Bell’s initial piecemeal responses “recall creep.”

In fact, Blue Bell knew it had a listeria problem two years earlier. The FDA released inspection reports showing that the company had found the bacteria in its Oklahoma plant, on surfaces such as floors and catwalks, on 17 occasions beginning in March 2013. Despite this, the FDA found, Blue Bell hadn’t followed up “to identify sanitation failures and possible food contamination,” taken proper steps to root out the problem, or informed the agency of its findings. FDA inspections of multiple plants, starting in March, found not only listeria but also condensation dripping from machinery into ice cream and ingredient tanks; poor storage and food-handling practices; and failures to clean equipment thoroughly.

http://fortune.com/2015/09/25/blue-bell-listeria-recall/

Yep they were greedy @#$&=%123$
I'll take a triple scoop of Moolenium Crunch every day and I'll be the first to attend the "Ice Cream Aid Concert" to bale them out like we did for all the auto manufacturers, sodbusters, and Willie Nelson????. Sorry I even mentioned it.
 

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I'll take a triple scoop of Moolenium Crunch every day and I'll be the first to attend the "Ice Cream Aid Concert" to bale them out like we did for all the auto manufacturers, sodbusters, and Willie Nelson????. Sorry I even mentioned it.
You say your sorry you mentioned it..........You are after calling me out and finding out you were @&[email protected]#&.
Yes sir..you sure schooled me BigBoy while Im setting here eating my Blue Bell out of my favorite bowl???....see you down the road.?
 
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