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My purpose of posting this is to tell my experience with the gas Titan XD. (2016-2019 share the same power train). About 9 months ago I purchased a used 2018 Nissan Titan XD SV 4x4 crew cab. I previously had a '16 F150 super crew 5.0. My rationale for buying it was the following;
1. The max I would be towing is 10K so as the truck is marketed, I thought, perfect fit for me. The truck would be more stable pulling our camper and cargo trailer. It's a "5/8" ton truck.

2. The 1/2 ton version is rated at 21 MPG. My thought was ok, as it's smaller than a 3/4 ton it should get better MPG on the highway and similar or better MPG while towing. (Wasn't expecting 21 MPG highway, but was expecting at least 17 for range).

3. I know several people who have owned older Titans and they swear by their reliability.
4. What separates the normal Titan from the XD is a beefed up frame, larger breaks, longer wheelbase, enhanced engine cooling properties. Rear axle is 3.36 vs the normal Titan 2.93 (thought great, better MPG vs a 3/4 ton.)

The truck drives nice and towed my boat (total boat and trailer around 3500 lbs) with no issues. Started noticing annoying transmission habits. Truck would stay at 2-2200 rpm driving 35-40, tach would "flutter" frequently. When cold and for about 10 mins of driving transmission shifts pretty high, I drive my trucks easy, would shift around 2500 rpm no load just cruising.

Went to 3 different Nissan dealerships, showed them video of what it does- all three took the truck for the day, drove it- reported no issues at all and said it's acting normal, no updates, reprograms, or service bulletins regarding the transmission. Ok, accept that's the way the truck operates.

Tow my empty 24' V nose enclosed cargo trailer (dry weight 3300lbs) from South Georgia (Mild rolling hills) to Central Florida. This is what made me get rid of the truck. I only towed our camper weighing in at 7K loaded about 5 miles twice as we were busy last couple months. The way the truck handles very mild hills and flat Florida was not for me. The truck just couldn't decide what gear to go into. Would rev up to 3500-4k on any overpass and remain at that for about 2 minutes. Would shift everywhere on flats about every minute up shift, down shift, constantly. We're moving to the foothills of the Appalachians, I don't want to deal with this.

What I wish I knew about the truck;
1. 26 gallon fuel tank- this meant while towing the empty cargo trailer a whopping range of 180 miles as I was getting 7 MPG at a max speed of 65 mph.
2. The identical transmission is used as the 1/2 ton Titan, Armada, etc.
3. Semi floating rear axle- it's slightly larger than the normal Titan, but this is no HD axle. Has 6 lug axles, good luck finding any wheels that are rated more than 2200 lbs with 6 lugs.
4. My highway unloaded MPG going 70 mph was 14-14.5 mpg, that's hand calculated and I found the computer to be very close to hand calculations.
5. The back up camera is horrendous on the SV. No moving guides, horrible resolution, night quality is near zero. The '19s got an upgrade so cant speak for those.
6. The rear doors don't open to 90*, more like 60*, kind of a pain with 3 kids.
7. The radio is the worst thing I've ever heard, along with the integration to the phone. Could never get bluetooth to download contacts, you can't just click the phone and say call so and so like every other bluetooth stereo in the last 10 years.

Traded for a used 2019 Ram 2500 6.4 gas 8 speed Big Horn, which the Tradesman is bare base, Big Horn is next step up, equivalent to my Titan SV, which was second step up from an S.
True 3/4 ton truck. Titan XD payload was 2150lbs, Ram is 3150 lbs, exactly 1000 lbs increase in Payload, 2300 increase in towing capacity.
The ram drives much nicer, the coil rear springs are up to the hype.
So far getting 17-18 mpg on highway at 70 MPH, however, this is only 200 miles on flat highway use. Will have to see what it does on a long trip hand calculated.
Cab has more room overall, rear doors open all the way.
Back up camera is very clear with guides, stereo sounds great.
Driveshaft, rear and front axle is massive compared to the Titan XD.
Oil changes are much more easier than the XD, no air damn to remove, no extra plastic skid guard to remove.
The 6.4 Hemi was designed specifically for HD trucks and for longevity. However I'm sure a well cared 5.6 will run just as long. The 8 speed ZF transmission was specifically designed for LCV (light commercial vehicle).
31 gallon fuel tank, not a huge upgrade, but anything beats a 26 gallon tank.

Towed my loaded 24' V nose, this transmission is super confident and slick. No gear hunting and towed the loaded trailer better than the empty trailer with the XD and the Ram is much quieter when it's at 3000+ RPM vs the XD.

Cons so far with the Ram- 1. Big one for me- Made in Mexico. (The XD's engine is made in TN, I believe the truck is made in Mississippi or Missouri?). With that said Nissan is a French/Japan company so not sure who's the winner there.
2. No sliding rear window in the Ram.
3. The front middle seat only has a lap belt, no shoulder belt like the F150 and XD.

To make this whole comparison even more mind boggling- The Ram 4x4 Crew Big Horn MSRP is lower than the Titan XD 4x4 Crew SV. I'm getting better MPG and a true HD truck.

Before buying an XD, I'm sure the the diesel is a cool concept, but, it's discontinued. The gas, unless the 20+ model year with the bump in power and 9 speed transmission are a significant improvement, I would think twice before paying more for a less capable truck. I would really be shocked if the Titan XD is still in production 3+ years from now.
 

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Not that it makes any difference at all, but I absolutely dusted a buddy of mine the other day when we ******* raced rolling at about 35mph. He was in a new dodge with the 6.4. Wasn’t even close.

Not knocking your decision, just sharing my experience!
 

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Good writeup, hope some folks find it useful.

IMO, bright LED backup bulbs fix the night vision issue with the backup camera. It's like daylight back there for me now. In terms of mileage, I get a little over 17MPG on an hour plus (each way) highway trip (@70 MPH) with my '18 gas XD - no lift, stock 20s and stock General tires. I do have a Pedal Commander. Around town it's generally 12-14 depending on how I drive it. I haven't noticed anything unusual regarding the transmission shifting. Granted, I haven't towed yet, but I read your post as if you had issues with the shift points unloaded also.

I have the convenience package with the better radio, navigation, etc. I have zero complaints about that - paired and operates perfectly with my Galaxy S10+ phone. Perhaps that's also why I have no beef with the backup camera - due to the better screen.

I can't bring myself to buy a Mexican truck. That's partially how I ended up with the Titan. I got my CPO XD than the local Toyota dealer would sell me a Mexican-built CPO Tacoma.

Good luck with the RAM.
 

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Good writeup, hope some folks find it useful.

IMO, bright LED backup bulbs fix the night vision issue with the backup camera. It's like daylight back there for me now. In terms of mileage, I get a little over 17MPG on an hour plus (each way) highway trip (@70 MPH) with my '18 gas XD - no lift, stock 20s and stock General tires. I do have a Pedal Commander. Around town it's generally 12-14 depending on how I drive it. I haven't noticed anything unusual regarding the transmission shifting. Granted, I haven't towed yet, but I read your post as if you had issues with the shift points unloaded also.

I have the convenience package with the better radio, navigation, etc. I have zero complaints about that - paired and operates perfectly with my Galaxy S10+ phone. Perhaps that's also why I have no beef with the backup camera - due to the better screen.

I can't bring myself to buy a Mexican truck. That's partially how I ended up with the Titan. I got my CPO XD than the local Toyota dealer would sell me a Mexican-built CPO Tacoma.

Good luck with the RAM.
Good to know about the radio, I admit I never checked out the upgraded radio, but if you ever see the base one you'll know what I'm talking about. Agree, the Mexican built was hard for me to get over. Thought I read they're bringing the HD plant back to the US but who knows.
 

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My first XD was a 2017 5.6 SV 4x4. I replaced it with a 2017 5.0 SL 4x4. Many of your gripes would be gone if you had gone up 1 trim level.

The SV trim sucks, TBH. The gap is so large on all of Nissan‘a Trim levels, it kinda blows my mind. Pro4X, SL, and Platinum Reserve are almost different trucks inside and out compared to the SV.

Any truck that has a middle front seat is a work truck, IMO. Didn’t know people bought those for personal use, these days.

I think MSRP comparisons are stupid- nobody pays MSRP these days and if you do, you’re a sucker.

I do agree the rear coil setup on the Rams are very nice- more trucks should copy that design. It rides very nice, IMO.

The 6.4 is a pig- its dog slow and I think it will get better mpg because it’s mated to that gearbox.

I’m still convinced something was wrong with your XD, but the dealers were less than helpful for you, which is a bummer.

Appreciative of the full review, so far. Im glad you seem happier with this truck- just don’t hop on the Ram forums with a ‘there’s no benefit to even owning this truck’ and I think you’ll be alright. Keep us updated!


Also, where’s the pics of this new truck?!?
 

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Good to know about the radio, I admit I never checked out the upgraded radio, but if you ever see the base one you'll know what I'm talking about. Agree, the Mexican built was hard for me to get over. Thought I read they're bringing the HD plant back to the US but who knows.
I have what must be the base radio in my NV2500 work van.

Honestly, IMO the SV with convenience package is like a whole other trim level between the standard SV and the SL.
 

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I love mine.
I had new fuel tank TSB Warranty
I had new rear rotors and shoes installed TSB Warranty
I had a new short block installed TSB Warranty

I still love my truck. The ride, the seat comfort, the quality, the warranty, the sound when you put the hammer down, and of course all the goodies for way less money than the big 3 and T.

And just look at Ram and F150 Forums, they have problems too.

I've had trucks from the big three and this is my favorite.
 

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I do agree the rear coil setup on the Rams are very nice
My ‘12 1500 Lonestar was such a nice ride empty. But I gotta say it got maybe, MAYBE, 1mpg better in city and 3ish hwy better than my XD on average. Towing it got like 2 mpg and XD gets around 8-10. That engine was a guzzler for that truck, and the trucks sweet ride was toast under a load. Squatted horrendously as well, although it pulled fine.

The premium sound system rocks though. Definitely worth it. The sub specifically is the best factory sub I’ve ever had. Sometimes I miss those cool springs... Also helps people to remember it’s a 5/8 truck. Not an HD. It fills a rather specific niche and that’s about it.

I also think yours was a lemon. Glad you’re out if it for your sake.
 

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2018 XD Platinum Reserve 5.6 here.
I feel I got a lot of truck for what I paid. Would I have paid msrp? Hell no. Got $13k off in October of '18.
I love it. No issues. Period. Happy customer.
 
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Sounds to me you had a defective truck, but then again most of the stuff you're complaining about is crazy. You got a damn near base model titan and expected a good backup camera and stereo? Come on now.
To clarify, I've never and will never buy a brand new car or truck. I buy them 1-2 years old with low mileage, I'm stating MSRP for the sake of assuming the actual price paid is a similar ratio. Meaning the Titan XD MSRP is 48k, the Ram is 45k.

My F150, this Ram 2500, and my wife's minivan are all base models and the camera and radio blow the base Titan's camera and radio away. Again, I can't speak for the '19s base radio and camera as they were upgraded.
 

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Here’s new to new.


Anything from big 3 will be more expensive side by side. And quite frankly it should be probably. Heavier duty parts in places, bigger truck (slightly), bigger engine. Established models. The funniest thing to me is that the Titan is really the only “American made” trucks. Cracks me up if people don’t realize where the big 3 are actually made.
 

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To clarify, I've never and will never buy a brand new car or truck. I buy them 1-2 years old with low mileage, I'm stating MSRP for the sake of assuming the actual price paid is a similar ratio. Meaning the Titan XD MSRP is 48k, the Ram is 45k.

My F150, this Ram 2500, and my wife's minivan are all base models and the camera and radio blow the base Titan's camera and radio away. Again, I can't speak for the '19s base radio and camera as they were upgraded.
Uh, I'm not sure I buy the base model F150 camera/radio blows away the base model Titan XD camera radio. I'd say they both suck. I looked (heavily) at a base model Ford truck before buying. I saw no difference at all in terms of comparing the two. Certainly no way the base model Ford camera radio being better than the base model Titan XD. No way, no how. Saw it myself. I can't speak to the base model Dodge. Could be the base model Dodge is better.
 

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Uh, I'm not sure I buy the base model F150 camera/radio blows away the base model Titan XD camera radio. I'd say they both suck. I looked (heavily) at a base model Ford truck before buying. I saw no difference at all in terms of comparing the two. Certainly no way the base model Ford camera radio being better than the base model Titan XD. No way, no how. Saw it myself. I can't speak to the base model Dodge. Could be the base model Dodge is better.
You're right, I had an F150 XLT. It wasn't a base which would have been an XL. I would say the XLT and SV are comparable trims, my F150 had the hitch middle line on the display which I find really helps hooking up to trailers. Maybe that was an upgrade I wasn't aware of.
 

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I traded my 16 diesel in for a 19 RAM 2500 as well. I did a extended test drive of a 19 XD gasser and did a tow with it and was very disappointed. The transmission and rear diff gearing just feels wrong in this truck compared to big three gassers. The 20 Chevy with a 6 spd trans felt way better. The XD diesel was a good truck that I had no major issues with but the diesel had to go.
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You're right, I had an F150 XLT. It wasn't a base which would have been an XL. I would say the XLT and SV are comparable trims, my F150 had the hitch middle line on the display which I find really helps hooking up to trailers. Maybe that was an upgrade I wasn't aware of.
My XD has a blue center hitch line on the camera display. Guessing that's another perk of the better head unit with the convenience package.
 

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I traded my 16 diesel in for a 19 RAM 2500 as well. I did a extended test drive of a 19 XD gasser and did a tow with it and was very disappointed. The transmission and rear diff gearing just feels wrong in this truck compared to big three gassers. The 20 Chevy with a 6 spd trans felt way better. The XD diesel was a good truck that I had no major issues with but the diesel had to go.
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Nice truck! Wish mine had the cab lights.
 
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