Just remember the XD isn't a 3/4 ton truck, especially in gas form. Glad you got what you want but those are (2) completely different trucks.
Thinking of buying a Titan XD gas, read this...
My purpose of posting this is to tell my experience with the gas Titan XD. (2016-2019 share the same power train). About 9 months ago I purchased a used 2018 Nissan Titan XD SV 4x4 crew cab. I previously had a '16 F150 super crew 5.0. My rationale for buying it was the following;
1. The max I would be towing is 10K so as the truck is marketed, I thought, perfect fit for me. The truck would be more stable pulling our camper and cargo trailer. It's a "5/8" ton truck.
2. The 1/2 ton version is rated at 21 MPG. My thought was ok, as it's smaller than a 3/4 ton it should get better MPG on the highway and similar or better MPG while towing. (Wasn't expecting 21 MPG highway, but was expecting at least 17 for range).
3. I know several people who have owned older Titans and they swear by their reliability.
4. What separates the normal Titan from the XD is a beefed up frame, larger breaks, longer wheelbase, enhanced engine cooling properties. Rear axle is 3.36 vs the normal Titan 2.93 (thought great, better MPG vs a 3/4 ton.)
The truck drives nice and towed my boat (total boat and trailer around 3500 lbs) with no issues. Started noticing annoying transmission habits. Truck would stay at 2-2200 rpm driving 35-40, tach would "flutter" frequently. When cold and for about 10 mins of driving transmission shifts pretty high, I drive my trucks easy, would shift around 2500 rpm no load just cruising.
Went to 3 different Nissan dealerships, showed them video of what it does- all three took the truck for the day, drove it- reported no issues at all and said it's acting normal, no updates, reprograms, or service bulletins regarding the transmission. Ok, accept that's the way the truck operates.
Tow my empty 24' V nose enclosed cargo trailer (dry weight 3300lbs) from South Georgia (Mild rolling hills) to Central Florida. This is what made me get rid of the truck. I only towed our camper weighing in at 7K loaded about 5 miles twice as we were busy last couple months. The way the truck handles very mild hills and flat Florida was not for me. The truck just couldn't decide what gear to go into. Would rev up to 3500-4k on any overpass and remain at that for about 2 minutes. Would shift everywhere on flats about every minute up shift, down shift, constantly. We're moving to the foothills of the Appalachians, I don't want to deal with this.
What I wish I knew about the truck;
1. 26 gallon fuel tank- this meant while towing the empty cargo trailer a whopping range of 180 miles as I was getting 7 MPG at a max speed of 65 mph.
2. The identical transmission is used as the 1/2 ton Titan, Armada, etc.
3. Semi floating rear axle- it's slightly larger than the normal Titan, but this is no HD axle. Has 6 lug axles, good luck finding any wheels that are rated more than 2200 lbs with 6 lugs.
4. My highway unloaded MPG going 70 mph was 14-14.5 mpg, that's hand calculated and I found the computer to be very close to hand calculations.
5. The back up camera is horrendous on the SV. No moving guides, horrible resolution, night quality is near zero. The '19s got an upgrade so cant speak for those.
6. The rear doors don't open to 90*, more like 60*, kind of a pain with 3 kids.
7. The radio is the worst thing I've ever heard, along with the integration to the phone. Could never get bluetooth to download contacts, you can't just click the phone and say call so and so like every other bluetooth stereo in the last 10 years.
Traded for a used 2019 Ram 2500 6.4 gas 8 speed Big Horn, which the Tradesman is bare base, Big Horn is next step up, equivalent to my Titan SV, which was second step up from an S.
True 3/4 ton truck. Titan XD payload was 2150lbs, Ram is 3150 lbs, exactly 1000 lbs increase in Payload, 2300 increase in towing capacity.
The ram drives much nicer, the coil rear springs are up to the hype.
So far getting 17-18 mpg on highway at 70 MPH, however, this is only 200 miles on flat highway use. Will have to see what it does on a long trip hand calculated.
Cab has more room overall, rear doors open all the way.
Back up camera is very clear with guides, stereo sounds great.
Driveshaft, rear and front axle is massive compared to the Titan XD.
Oil changes are much more easier than the XD, no air damn to remove, no extra plastic skid guard to remove.
The 6.4 Hemi was designed specifically for HD trucks and for longevity. However I'm sure a well cared 5.6 will run just as long. The 8 speed ZF transmission was specifically designed for LCV (light commercial vehicle).
31 gallon fuel tank, not a huge upgrade, but anything beats a 26 gallon tank.
Towed my loaded 24' V nose, this transmission is super confident and slick. No gear hunting and towed the loaded trailer better than the empty trailer with the XD and the Ram is much quieter when it's at 3000+ RPM vs the XD.
Cons so far with the Ram- 1. Big one for me- Made in Mexico. (The XD's engine is made in TN, I believe the truck is made in Mississippi or Missouri?). With that said Nissan is a French/Japan company so not sure who's the winner there.
2. No sliding rear window in the Ram.
3. The front middle seat only has a lap belt, no shoulder belt like the F150 and XD.
To make this whole comparison even more mind boggling- The Ram 4x4 Crew Big Horn MSRP is lower than the Titan XD 4x4 Crew SV. I'm getting better MPG and a true HD truck.
Before buying an XD, I'm sure the the diesel is a cool concept, but, it's discontinued. The gas, unless the 20+ model year with the bump in power and 9 speed transmission are a significant improvement, I would think twice before paying more for a less capable truck. I would really be shocked if the Titan XD is still in production 3+ years from now.
1. The max I would be towing is 10K so as the truck is marketed, I thought, perfect fit for me. The truck would be more stable pulling our camper and cargo trailer. It's a "5/8" ton truck.
2. The 1/2 ton version is rated at 21 MPG. My thought was ok, as it's smaller than a 3/4 ton it should get better MPG on the highway and similar or better MPG while towing. (Wasn't expecting 21 MPG highway, but was expecting at least 17 for range).
3. I know several people who have owned older Titans and they swear by their reliability.
4. What separates the normal Titan from the XD is a beefed up frame, larger breaks, longer wheelbase, enhanced engine cooling properties. Rear axle is 3.36 vs the normal Titan 2.93 (thought great, better MPG vs a 3/4 ton.)
The truck drives nice and towed my boat (total boat and trailer around 3500 lbs) with no issues. Started noticing annoying transmission habits. Truck would stay at 2-2200 rpm driving 35-40, tach would "flutter" frequently. When cold and for about 10 mins of driving transmission shifts pretty high, I drive my trucks easy, would shift around 2500 rpm no load just cruising.
Went to 3 different Nissan dealerships, showed them video of what it does- all three took the truck for the day, drove it- reported no issues at all and said it's acting normal, no updates, reprograms, or service bulletins regarding the transmission. Ok, accept that's the way the truck operates.
Tow my empty 24' V nose enclosed cargo trailer (dry weight 3300lbs) from South Georgia (Mild rolling hills) to Central Florida. This is what made me get rid of the truck. I only towed our camper weighing in at 7K loaded about 5 miles twice as we were busy last couple months. The way the truck handles very mild hills and flat Florida was not for me. The truck just couldn't decide what gear to go into. Would rev up to 3500-4k on any overpass and remain at that for about 2 minutes. Would shift everywhere on flats about every minute up shift, down shift, constantly. We're moving to the foothills of the Appalachians, I don't want to deal with this.
What I wish I knew about the truck;
1. 26 gallon fuel tank- this meant while towing the empty cargo trailer a whopping range of 180 miles as I was getting 7 MPG at a max speed of 65 mph.
2. The identical transmission is used as the 1/2 ton Titan, Armada, etc.
3. Semi floating rear axle- it's slightly larger than the normal Titan, but this is no HD axle. Has 6 lug axles, good luck finding any wheels that are rated more than 2200 lbs with 6 lugs.
4. My highway unloaded MPG going 70 mph was 14-14.5 mpg, that's hand calculated and I found the computer to be very close to hand calculations.
5. The back up camera is horrendous on the SV. No moving guides, horrible resolution, night quality is near zero. The '19s got an upgrade so cant speak for those.
6. The rear doors don't open to 90*, more like 60*, kind of a pain with 3 kids.
7. The radio is the worst thing I've ever heard, along with the integration to the phone. Could never get bluetooth to download contacts, you can't just click the phone and say call so and so like every other bluetooth stereo in the last 10 years.
Traded for a used 2019 Ram 2500 6.4 gas 8 speed Big Horn, which the Tradesman is bare base, Big Horn is next step up, equivalent to my Titan SV, which was second step up from an S.
True 3/4 ton truck. Titan XD payload was 2150lbs, Ram is 3150 lbs, exactly 1000 lbs increase in Payload, 2300 increase in towing capacity.
The ram drives much nicer, the coil rear springs are up to the hype.
So far getting 17-18 mpg on highway at 70 MPH, however, this is only 200 miles on flat highway use. Will have to see what it does on a long trip hand calculated.
Cab has more room overall, rear doors open all the way.
Back up camera is very clear with guides, stereo sounds great.
Driveshaft, rear and front axle is massive compared to the Titan XD.
Oil changes are much more easier than the XD, no air damn to remove, no extra plastic skid guard to remove.
The 6.4 Hemi was designed specifically for HD trucks and for longevity. However I'm sure a well cared 5.6 will run just as long. The 8 speed ZF transmission was specifically designed for LCV (light commercial vehicle).
31 gallon fuel tank, not a huge upgrade, but anything beats a 26 gallon tank.
Towed my loaded 24' V nose, this transmission is super confident and slick. No gear hunting and towed the loaded trailer better than the empty trailer with the XD and the Ram is much quieter when it's at 3000+ RPM vs the XD.
Cons so far with the Ram- 1. Big one for me- Made in Mexico. (The XD's engine is made in TN, I believe the truck is made in Mississippi or Missouri?). With that said Nissan is a French/Japan company so not sure who's the winner there.
2. No sliding rear window in the Ram.
3. The front middle seat only has a lap belt, no shoulder belt like the F150 and XD.
To make this whole comparison even more mind boggling- The Ram 4x4 Crew Big Horn MSRP is lower than the Titan XD 4x4 Crew SV. I'm getting better MPG and a true HD truck.
Before buying an XD, I'm sure the the diesel is a cool concept, but, it's discontinued. The gas, unless the 20+ model year with the bump in power and 9 speed transmission are a significant improvement, I would think twice before paying more for a less capable truck. I would really be shocked if the Titan XD is still in production 3+ years from now.
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I could’ve been happy with the 19 XD gasser if the gearing was different and maybe this has been resolved with the 2020 9spd XD. The RAM dealer made me an offer I couldn’t refuse on the 2500HD and gave me a good trade in $ on my diesel XD so the deal was done. The 5.0l /Aisin/3.92 combination is very good for towing and I’ve yet to test the 6.4l/8spd/4.10 with a heavy load. So far 2 of my 3 camping trips are cancelled this spring.
I agree - the Cummins / Aisin 6sp / 3.92 gearing is really perfect for towing. I tow a 25' enclosed car trailer (9k lbs +) and live in the Northeast; lots of hills/mountains. I always tow in Tow/Haul mode, and it never hunts for a gear. upshifts and downshifts are firm but not severe and it'll hold the proper gear given the hill (up or down). I know a lot of people complained about the 7sp in the gasser with the tall gears (hunting and/or revving way out) but I'd bet that the new 2020 with the 9sp addresses that (I know there were complaints and I'd bet that Nissan wanted to fix that with the new transmission gearing). one thing I love about the Cummins/Aisin is that it seems like it was programmed/built from the start to haul loads. mine is a 2016 and i seem to be one of the unusual owners who never had issues with driving unloaded with rough shifts or flares etc. i've always thought that it drove/runs/shifts really nice whether loaded or unloaded.
The dodges look good for sure. Still a dodge tho...I'd rather have a sister in a whore house than own a Chrysler product.
3 friends have or are in the process of switching from their big 3 3/4 to the XD after trying mine. 2 of those are dodges. It's crazy how much they've complained since day 1 of buying theirs.
I guess I don't get the OP's issues with the gas XD. I get the impression he just wanted a 3/4. Everything on his "wish I would have known" list about the XD were easily known prior to purchase with a little research and/or test drives. It's no biggie that he wanted to bump up to a 3/4, but it seems like he's trying to blame the XD for him not doing research which caused him to make a bad purchasing decision.
I guess I don't get the OP's issues with the gas XD. I get the impression he just wanted a 3/4. Everything on his "wish I would have known" list about the XD were easily known prior to purchase with a little research and/or test drives. It's no biggie that he wanted to bump up to a 3/4, but it seems like he's trying to blame the XD for him not doing research which caused him to make a bad purchasing decision.
The dodges look good for sure. Still a dodge tho...I'd rather have a sister in a whore house than own a Chrysler product.
apples and oranges
I like Mexican made vehicles, well made.
Just as good as the Japanese, Germans and USA.
I like Mexican made vehicles, well made.
Just as good as the Japanese, Germans and USA.
I honestly find this thread hilarious. People talking about them switching to a gasser 3/4 ton haha. Guys I have been driving gasser 3/4s for 15 years at work. My current is a 2018 f250 6.2l and it's the biggest turd yet, besides the chevy 6.0l. This truck has the worst dead pedal I've ever felt, gets 6 mpg towing a 5I lb enclosed trailer and only gets 11 mpg at best unloaded. Theres absolutely nothing good about these trucks. My xd will tow circles around one of these
Curious... are the LED back up bulbs a straight replacement of the OEM bulbs the truck came with?Good writeup, hope some folks find it useful.
IMO, bright LED backup bulbs fix the night vision issue with the backup camera. It's like daylight back there for me now. In terms of mileage, I get a little over 17MPG on an hour plus (each way) highway trip (@70 MPH) with my '18 gas XD - no lift, stock 20s and stock General tires. I do have a Pedal Commander. Around town it's generally 12-14 depending on how I drive it. I haven't noticed anything unusual regarding the transmission shifting. Granted, I haven't towed yet, but I read your post as if you had issues with the shift points unloaded also.
I have the convenience package with the better radio, navigation, etc. I have zero complaints about that - paired and operates perfectly with my Galaxy S10+ phone. Perhaps that's also why I have no beef with the backup camera - due to the better screen.
I can't bring myself to buy a Mexican truck. That's partially how I ended up with the Titan. I got my CPO XD than the local Toyota dealer would sell me a Mexican-built CPO Tacoma.
Good luck with the RAM.
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Yep, go to oreilys and and tell them you need an led replacement. Mine are bright as hellCurious... are the LED back up bulbs a straight replacement of the OEM bulbs the truck came with?
Yes. I used these:Curious... are the LED back up bulbs a straight replacement of the OEM bulbs the truck came with?
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Getting 9 mpg towing the trailer that my Titan got 7 towing unloaded. I'm getting 9 loaded at 9200 lbs with the Ram. My father's F350 got 10.5 towing the loaded trailer, a diesel. Biggest problem with that Titan diesel in my opinion is the payload. I've yet seen a crew cab with a payload sticker more than 1600 lbs.I honestly find this thread hilarious. People talking about them switching to a gasser 3/4 ton haha. Guys I have been driving gasser 3/4s for 15 years at work. My current is a 2018 f250 6.2l and it's the biggest turd yet, besides the chevy 6.0l. This truck has the worst dead pedal I've ever felt, gets 6 mpg towing a 5I lb enclosed trailer and only gets 11 mpg at best unloaded. Theres absolutely nothing good about these trucks. My xd will tow circles around one of these
I researched the tr3 friends have or are in the process of switching from their big 3 3/4 to the XD after trying mine. 2 of those are dodges. It's crazy how much they've complained since day 1 of buying theirs.
I guess I don't get the OP's issues with the gas XD. I get the impression he just wanted a 3/4. Everything on his "wish I would have known" list about the XD were easily known prior to purchase with a little research and/or test drives. It's no biggie that he wanted to bump up to a 3/4, but it seems like he's trying to blame the XD for him not doing research which caused him to make a bad purchasing decision.
My issues aren't that difficult to understand. The trucks transmission shifting was awful, towing and not towing. The truck got worst mileage than a 3/4 ton and costs the same or more. Simply posted it so if someone is considering buying one to really understand what they're buying. With an absolutely terrible 1st quarter truck sales by Nissan this year. The XD will probably be discontinued. I thought it was a perfect middle ground between a 1/2 and 3/4 ton but was wrong.3 friends have or are in the process of switching from their big 3 3/4 to the XD after trying mine. 2 of those are dodges. It's crazy how much they've complained since day 1 of buying theirs.
I guess I don't get the OP's issues with the gas XD. I get the impression he just wanted a 3/4. Everything on his "wish I would have known" list about the XD were easily known prior to purchase with a little research and/or test drives. It's no biggie that he wanted to bump up to a 3/4, but it seems like he's trying to blame the XD for him not doing research which caused him to make a bad purchasing decision.
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For 99.99999999% of people it's a great truck, you are one of the few that doesnt seem to think soI researched the tr
My issues aren't that difficult to understand. The trucks transmission shifting was awful, towing and not towing. The truck got worst mileage than a 3/4 ton and costs the same or more. Simply posted it so if someone is considering buying one to really understand what they're buying. With an absolutely terrible 1st quarter truck sales by Nissan this year. The XD will probably be discontinued. I thought it was a perfect middle ground between a 1/2 and 3/4 ton but was wrong.
Good, the 0.000000001% can read this and be informed.Fr
For 99.99999999% of people it's a great truck, you are one of the few that doesnt seem to think so
???This is great.
I honestly think the theres some inconsistency on the build quality. I don't think FordtoNissan's experience is invalid, but it obviously isn't the norm. If you look around the internet, youtube, social media, etc. You'll find a number of inconsistencies with these trucks in different areas though.
Watch out- you’ll get a warning from the mods for trolling with that attitude!!
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????Watch out- you’ll get a warning from the mods for trolling with that attitude!!
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I'm 65 years old and owned more trucks than I can remember. I have owned more capable trucks than the Titan for thats sure,but only one that made me as happy, that was my first, purchased from the showroom floor in 1976 a decked out raised and customized GMC 4X4. I've owned Ford's, Toyota's, GMCs, Chevy's and Nissan's. This truck has some issues that's for sure but I'm in love with this truck, not to mention it's severely underrated and will handle 99% of our needs. If you truly need a beast for heavy towing, or tow fifth wheels, than get a 1 ton or DRW. This truck easily pulls my dump trailer and my 7800lb TT.My purpose of posting this is to tell my experience with the gas Titan XD. (2016-2019 share the same power train). About 9 months ago I purchased a used 2018 Nissan Titan XD SV 4x4 crew cab. I previously had a '16 F150 super crew 5.0. My rationale for buying it was the following;
1. The max I would be towing is 10K so as the truck is marketed, I thought, perfect fit for me. The truck would be more stable pulling our camper and cargo trailer. It's a "5/8" ton truck.
2. The 1/2 ton version is rated at 21 MPG. My thought was ok, as it's smaller than a 3/4 ton it should get better MPG on the highway and similar or better MPG while towing. (Wasn't expecting 21 MPG highway, but was expecting at least 17 for range).
3. I know several people who have owned older Titans and they swear by their reliability.
4. What separates the normal Titan from the XD is a beefed up frame, larger breaks, longer wheelbase, enhanced engine cooling properties. Rear axle is 3.36 vs the normal Titan 2.93 (thought great, better MPG vs a 3/4 ton.)
The truck drives nice and towed my boat (total boat and trailer around 3500 lbs) with no issues. Started noticing annoying transmission habits. Truck would stay at 2-2200 rpm driving 35-40, tach would "flutter" frequently. When cold and for about 10 mins of driving transmission shifts pretty high, I drive my trucks easy, would shift around 2500 rpm no load just cruising.
Went to 3 different Nissan dealerships, showed them video of what it does- all three took the truck for the day, drove it- reported no issues at all and said it's acting normal, no updates, reprograms, or service bulletins regarding the transmission. Ok, accept that's the way the truck operates.
Tow my empty 24' V nose enclosed cargo trailer (dry weight 3300lbs) from South Georgia (Mild rolling hills) to Central Florida. This is what made me get rid of the truck. I only towed our camper weighing in at 7K loaded about 5 miles twice as we were busy last couple months. The way the truck handles very mild hills and flat Florida was not for me. The truck just couldn't decide what gear to go into. Would rev up to 3500-4k on any overpass and remain at that for about 2 minutes. Would shift everywhere on flats about every minute up shift, down shift, constantly. We're moving to the foothills of the Appalachians, I don't want to deal with this.
What I wish I knew about the truck;
1. 26 gallon fuel tank- this meant while towing the empty cargo trailer a whopping range of 180 miles as I was getting 7 MPG at a max speed of 65 mph.
2. The identical transmission is used as the 1/2 ton Titan, Armada, etc.
3. Semi floating rear axle- it's slightly larger than the normal Titan, but this is no HD axle. Has 6 lug axles, good luck finding any wheels that are rated more than 2200 lbs with 6 lugs.
4. My highway unloaded MPG going 70 mph was 14-14.5 mpg, that's hand calculated and I found the computer to be very close to hand calculations.
5. The back up camera is horrendous on the SV. No moving guides, horrible resolution, night quality is near zero. The '19s got an upgrade so cant speak for those.
6. The rear doors don't open to 90*, more like 60*, kind of a pain with 3 kids.
7. The radio is the worst thing I've ever heard, along with the integration to the phone. Could never get bluetooth to download contacts, you can't just click the phone and say call so and so like every other bluetooth stereo in the last 10 years.
Traded for a used 2019 Ram 2500 6.4 gas 8 speed Big Horn, which the Tradesman is bare base, Big Horn is next step up, equivalent to my Titan SV, which was second step up from an S.
True 3/4 ton truck. Titan XD payload was 2150lbs, Ram is 3150 lbs, exactly 1000 lbs increase in Payload, 2300 increase in towing capacity.
The ram drives much nicer, the coil rear springs are up to the hype.
So far getting 17-18 mpg on highway at 70 MPH, however, this is only 200 miles on flat highway use. Will have to see what it does on a long trip hand calculated.
Cab has more room overall, rear doors open all the way.
Back up camera is very clear with guides, stereo sounds great.
Driveshaft, rear and front axle is massive compared to the Titan XD.
Oil changes are much more easier than the XD, no air damn to remove, no extra plastic skid guard to remove.
The 6.4 Hemi was designed specifically for HD trucks and for longevity. However I'm sure a well cared 5.6 will run just as long. The 8 speed ZF transmission was specifically designed for LCV (light commercial vehicle).
31 gallon fuel tank, not a huge upgrade, but anything beats a 26 gallon tank.
Towed my loaded 24' V nose, this transmission is super confident and slick. No gear hunting and towed the loaded trailer better than the empty trailer with the XD and the Ram is much quieter when it's at 3000+ RPM vs the XD.
Cons so far with the Ram- 1. Big one for me- Made in Mexico. (The XD's engine is made in TN, I believe the truck is made in Mississippi or Missouri?). With that said Nissan is a French/Japan company so not sure who's the winner there.
2. No sliding rear window in the Ram.
3. The front middle seat only has a lap belt, no shoulder belt like the F150 and XD.
To make this whole comparison even more mind boggling- The Ram 4x4 Crew Big Horn MSRP is lower than the Titan XD 4x4 Crew SV. I'm getting better MPG and a true HD truck.
Before buying an XD, I'm sure the the diesel is a cool concept, but, it's discontinued. The gas, unless the 20+ model year with the bump in power and 9 speed transmission are a significant improvement, I would think twice before paying more for a less capable truck. I would really be shocked if the Titan XD is still in production 3+ years from now.
With the above said since the Cummins has been discontinued, I will be a Ford or GMC customer again in three years. As for the Ram, nice truck, but I don't want a Mexico built French Renault.
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