[nihilus]

Well I thought that I would start a comparison in which the Titan XD would win (kidding!)

So we are starting to get info on the gas version of the Titan XD and it would
be interesting how the would stack up against each other. So here goes:

Price: We have never seen a case in which the gas version of a truck is cheaper than the diesel. The only question is how much cheaper the gas will be.
Advantage: gas

Payload: We all know the gas will be lighter and therefore more payload IF they keep GVWR the same. Manufactures have given lower powered trucks a smaller GVWR so who knows
Advantage: most likely still gas

Towing: I very much doubt the will give the gas the same towing capacity as the Cummins, but then again the Cummins usually can't tow more than 10k# with it payload anyhow
Advantage: Diesel - just keep pin weight at 10%!


Overall Performance: The gas will no doubt be better in braking and acceleration in everyday use.
Advantage: gas

MPG/ Miles per $: A year ago I would have said the Diesel for sure, but now I am not so sure. If the gas requires premium, the diesel will probably win in MP$ given the same MPG. Unknown for now
Advantage: ?

Ease of Maintenance, Convenience: Ok we wont go there

 

[atc]

They have already stated in the xd brochure that the max payload for the gas V8 xd will be 2500 lbs. But max towing of just over 12000lbs stays the same and I'm pretty it stated when equipped with the diesel.
Edit: Yes just looked at brochure yes max towing of 12000 lbs is when equipped with the diesel.

 

[nihilus]

oops, should rear gas engine is always cheaper. So gas looks to have all the wins or projected ties except towing capacity but that is a bit sketchy with the diesel's low payload.
I would guess the V-8 would be around 10k# which is around where the Ram 5.7, GM 5.3, Ford 5.0 max is.

 

[atc]

I am going to predict the xd gas V8 will be a little over 11000lbs towing limit

 

[Sellitwv]

Forgot about depreciation. Diesel wins

 

[Gabby]

I'd like to see cost of ownership or estimated cost of ownership. This is a bett er indicator of value for my money. I hold on to my vehicles for at least ten years.

 

[clackmannan]

The diesel 4x2 S model has the highest row rating (12,314). But with a 2000# payload capacity and a 20% pin weight it can't tow more than 10,000# on a gooseneck, which is meant to be one of the big selling points of the truck. If you're looking at the truck as a tow vehicle you lose 2000# comparing the gooseneck to the hitch.

Assuming the gas XD has the same tow rating, and a higher payload capacity because of the lower engine weight, maybe we'll see the gas XD have it's gooseneck towing ability match that of it's hitch ?

 

[Imadogman]

The XD exhaust/after treatment system weighs around 300 lbs. Gas engine without turbo probably loses another 300 lbs or so.

 

[nihilus]

There was a formal report done on here by U of Michigan. The diesel was bettef in most cases but this was do to diesel using less fuel in those cases. Depreciation of the vehicle itself was very similiar between the gas and diesel

edit: the thread was started by tiger7. I am too putsy to link it on my phone. Looking back depreciation WAS better over 5 years with a diesel, but much less so in a truck. In fact, Ford was worse - due to the awful 6.0 and 6.4 engines that they were polling.

advantage: diesel

 

[6Scorpian7]

I say capability wise, the gas burner will win all categories except fuel mileage. Nissan may downgrade the towing capacity on the gas, to save from canibalizing the more expensive diesel, but that 5.6 is going to pull stronger. Fuel mileage will be a wash, because of the higher cost of ownership of the diesel. I can't wait to see the inevitable head to head.

 

[nihilus]

I suppose I should update this thread too since we have new info on the gas.

Price: Gas is $5000 cheaper across the board. That is about $5200 with taxes. If you are finnacing, it will be even more.
Advantage: gas

Payload: Nissan was nice in keeping the same GVWR. The 5.6L gas gets a 500 lb advantage.
Advantage: gas

Towing: The Diesel gets 1000 lbs of extra towing, but it can be hard to use with the low payload especially with a goosneck.
Advantage: Diesel, but only with bumper pull.

Overall Performance: The gas will no doubt be better in braking and acceleration in everyday use.
Advantage: gas

MPG/ Miles per $: 500 lbs is a big advantage for the gas. Also, the 7-speed should help and the truck runs on 87 octane. Should be close, actually.
Advantage: ?

Depreciation/ total cost of ownership: Not sure that there will be much difference hear especially with modern diesels. Also, no return on extra money paid for taxes, interest of higher price.
Advantage: tie

 

[nihilus]

Head over to TFL for a look at the new gasser. Real world unloaded MPG is looking to be better than the diesel. Diesel might still be better as far as xmission durability, but those customers will look towards 3/4 ton.

The new gasser XD is looking to be a big winner. If ford doesnt make significant improvements to economy and power of the 6.2L, the gas XD will bite into their F-250 sales in a big way.

 

[mpanella]

The Cummins clatter and turbo whistle is worth the 5K. :grin2:....


But in all seriousness, overall Engine life will also be arguably much greater with the Cummins.

 

[Footloose301]

Head over to TFL for a look at the new gasser. Real world unloaded MPG is looking to be better than the diesel. Diesel might still be better as far as xmission durability, but those customers will look towards 3/4 ton.

The new gasser XD is looking to be a big winner. If ford doesnt make significant improvements to economy and power of the 6.2L, the gas XD will bite into their F-250 sales in a big way.

Their real world testing at 70mph gave them 18.X mpg but I get over 21mpg in my diesel XD with the cruise set to 72mph. I average 17.4mpg with city driving according to the computer.

The diesel gets better fuel mileage unloaded and definitely should while loaded as well. The diesel will (should) last longer as well.

 

[Footloose301]

That 21.1mpg was when I got on the interstate, set the cruise, and reset the system and drove about 30-35miles at 72mph. That's with a full tank of fuel and my wife in the truck with me.

The diesel should also depreciate less. I'm basing that off the prices of current used diesels by Ford, Chevy, and Ram/Dodge.

 

[nihilus]

Lol maybe we can turn this into the 5.0 vs EB war lime the Ford forums.

 

[digitalbliss]

Lol maybe we can turn this into the 5.0 vs EB war lime the Ford forums.

I'm sure it will.... as we already know, those who bought the XD diesel seem to have a hard time taking any criticism of the truck. I doubt this will be any different if we say the gas version is better in any way that its diesel brother.

 

[Shee Nut]

Lol maybe we can turn this into the 5.0 vs EB war lime the Ford forums.

EB all the way. The 5.0 is a car engine.

The gen 1 5.6 was a true truck engine, hopefully this one has a nice broad curve too.

 

[nihilus]

We will have to wait until both trucks run the same route with the same driver. TFL got about 17 mpg running the same speed and distance but it was a different location.

@footloose - Keep in mind that these guys reset the computer before they accelerated. In any case, they should be close.

@sheanut - not sure why the 3.5tt is more of a truck engine if they used versions of it in the Taurus and a bunch of crossovers. Niether were chosen for the Super Duty so its hard to say which is more of a "truck engine". Personally, I would like to see the 5.2 voodoo in an F-150. Sure it revs to over 8000 RPMs, but the torque comes in relatively early and runs flat across. Oh, and it sounds nasty as well.

 

[Shee Nut]

I refer to them as "truck" engines based on the low end torque.

I can't wait to see a graph of the DE and the VD layed over each other.