[ChiefEng]

Thank you. The F250 owners obviously said it would work, but there is alot of diesel guys, but Im not getting a diesel. The 7.3 with 4.30 will do just fine. So the wife and I talked about it last night, and we have made a decision. So after more research, I have found that the new F250 and F350 do not have a ride difference as I thought they would, and the 8ft bed gives you the 48 gallon tank. I also found out that according to Nissan the Titan has a 1600lb payload. I looked on my sticker and its 1106!! Thats like 500lb difference! So my fear is that since Nissan says the XD is rated for 2400lbs, it may really only be 1800/1900lbs, and thats not good enough for us. I also found out a F250 is a 3/4 and the F350 is a 1 Ton truck. So bottom line/conclusion? Im not willing to chance that the XD will have 2400lbs of payload, so we will be going with a 2023 F350 King Ranch SRW with the 7.3L with 4.30 gears and 8ft bed. That configuration gives us about 4200lbs of payload, and it might be over kill, but it will be nice to know we will probably never max it out. With the F350 only being about a $800 more, it just makes sense to gain about 1400lbs more over the F250. Even if the F350 loses 500lbs of payload, its still 3700lbs. I really do appreciate everyone's input and help, and I hate to see the Titan leave, but we gotta do what's best for our family. Thank you all very much.

Hey man, you agreed from the beginning that safety is main priority. I am surprised that the XD you talk about above only has 1600lbs. Mine has just shy of 2,200lbs. That makes 1,000lbs difference between your current and mine. That just shows the importance of looking at the sticker.

I am glad you found something that will work for you! Best of luck.

 

[Taco1588]

Hey man, you agreed from the beginning that safety is main priority. I am surprised that the XD you talk about above only has 1600lbs. Mine has just shy of 2,200lbs. That makes 1,000lbs difference between your current and mine. That just shows the importance of looking at the sticker.

I am glad you found something that will work for you! Best of luck.

To clarify: my current non XD Titan is 1600 from Nissanusa, but the sticker on the door says 1106. So if Nissanusa says the XD is 2400, I have to assume the sticker will say 1800/1900, especially since there are pro-4x's and platinum's running around with those numbers. Its a chance I cant take. Thank you

 

[dirty_knuckles]

To clarify: my current non XD Titan is 1600 from Nissanusa, but the sticker on the door says 1106. So if Nissanusa says the XD is 2400, I have to assume the sticker will say 1800/1900, especially since there are pro-4x's and platinum's running around with those numbers. Its a chance I cant take. Thank you

A good way to look at actual capacity is the manufacturer will take the base model and calculate a safe number (2400 on the XD S trim). As more options get added, the weight of that option gets subtract from the baseline capacity. I purposely went with a lower trim SV model but I have 2200 lbs of capacity. There were tons of Platinum Reserves when I was as shopping but being within the limits of my sticker was worth more than bells and whistles. And I know there’s nothing my insurance company could say if something were to happen while towing (a drive through Atlanta proved anything can happen on the road towing a 33’ TT).

 

[ChiefEng]

A good way to look at actual capacity is the manufacturer will take the base model and calculate a safe number (2400 on the XD S trim). As more options get added, the weight of that option gets subtract from the baseline capacity. I purposely went with a lower trim SV model but I have 2200 lbs of capacity. There were tons of Platinum Reserves when I was as shopping but being within the limits of my sticker was worth more than bells and whistles. And I know there’s nothing my insurance company could say if something were to happen while towing (a drive through Atlanta proved anything can happen on the road towing a 33’ TT).

I agree with you. I also didn’t need any of the additional bells and whistles, this a higher payload. I have the XD Pro4X, with a payload (on the sticker) of 2185lbs. Which is really good in my opinion.

 

[Tigerag96]

My ‘21 P4X payload is 1818, but I have the titan boxes and sunroof option. We pull a 33 ft TT that we have probably maxed out at 7500 lbs. came from an F150 that had 1483 lb payload and the difference is night and day. We towed from Houston to Durango and back through southern NM and then another trip to northern arkansas. It is a relaxing drive with the XD. Even my wife drove a bit coming back from Bastrop SP before Thanksgiving. I think I’d feel comfortable up to 10k.

 

[Taco1588]

Thanks guys. Yeah my wife and I love those options and the current titan has every single option, and we have used them all. Our 2015 Tacoma is an SR5 with basic options, but its payed off with 65K miles. My wife and aren't skinny people, and im 300lbs (yes I need to work on that), but with a dry weight 900lb hitch and with me, wife, infant, and 2nd kid on the way, and 2 dogs we are now at 1700 without any stuff in the truck, propane tanks filled, battery, etc. So minimum would be 2000lbs. Most likely id be in the same boat as Tigerag96. With a 37ft camper, I think it would be best to go SRW F350 with the 7.3L 4:30 end, so we don't have to worry about payload. I am not a person who trades vehicles constantly, so when deciding on this camper, it put us in a pickle. We weren't planning to upgrade, but our last camper was a POS and had to get rid of it. Not to mention the Titan has dropped like a rock in value. We didn't have a trade in, so we payed full on taxes, etc. They gave us a deal, but we still payed $58K for a loaded out Pro-4X with grill lights, bed sport bar, Titan logo running boards, pano sunroof, leather, etc, every.... option....period. Unfortunately last month I was told by a Nissan dealer it was worth $45-47K, and I just checked and looks like it dropped again to $41-43K. If the Titan didn't drop like a rock, I may be tempted to give the XD a try, but financially it would be best to go bigger and avoid a possible problem. I would like to buy new for the peace of mind when traveling and longevity. I don't think we would be trading campers again, but I certainly don't want to be chasing campers and trucks throughout the years. I absolutely love the Titan to death, and I applaud Nissan for making a absolute beast of a truck, but if they would update the XD to handle closer to 2800-3000lbs, id be more tempted, but not at possibly 1800lbs. At 1800lbs, I feel that im just getting a stronger 1500/Titan.

 

[Taco1588]

A good way to look at actual capacity is the manufacturer will take the base model and calculate a safe number (2400 on the XD S trim). As more options get added, the weight of that option gets subtract from the baseline capacity. I purposely went with a lower trim SV model but I have 2200 lbs of capacity. There were tons of Platinum Reserves when I was as shopping but being within the limits of my sticker was worth more than bells and whistles. And I know there’s nothing my insurance company could say if something were to happen while towing (a drive through Atlanta proved anything can happen on the road towing a 33’ TT).

Ive been through Atlanta a few times pulling trailers, and I hate it. I understand

 

[ChiefEng]

Thanks guys. Yeah my wife and I love those options and the current titan has every single option, and we have used them all. Our 2015 Tacoma is an SR5 with basic options, but its payed off with 65K miles. My wife and are aren't skinny people, and im 300lbs (yes I need to work on that), but with a dry weight 900lb hitch and with me, wife, infant, and 2nd kid on the way, and 2 dogs we are now at 1700 without any stuff in the truck, propane tanks filled, battery, etc. So minimum would be 2000lbs. Most likely id be in the same boat as Tigerag96. With the a 37ft camper, I think it would be best to go SRW F350 with the 7.3L 4:30 end, so we don't have to worry about payload. I am not a person who trades vehicles constantly, so when deciding on this camper, it put us in a pickle. We weren't planning to upgrade, but our last camper was a POS and had to get rid of it. Not to mention the Titan has dropped like a rock in value. We didn't have a trade in, so we payed full on taxes, etc. They gave us a deal, but we still payed $58K for a loaded out Pro-4X with grill lights, bed sport bed, Titan logo running boards, pano sunroof, leather, etc, every.... option....period. Unfortunately last month I was told by a Nissan dealer it was worth $45-47K, and I just checked and looks like it dropped again to $41-43K. If the Titan didn't drop like a rock, I may be tempted to give the XD a try, but financially it would be best to go bigger and avoid a possible problem. I would like to buy new for the peace of mind when traveling and longevity. I don't think we would be trading campers again, but I certainly don't want to be chasing campers and trucks throughout the years. I absolutely love the Titan to death, and I applaud Nissan for making a absolute beast of a truck, but if they would update the XD to handle closer to 2800-3000lbs, id be more tempted, but not at possibly 1800lbs. At 1800lbs, I feel that im just getting a stronger 1500/Titan.

It really is a shame that Nissan didn’t up that a bit. I could not agree more with that statement. I really hope Nissan listens to that.
What is crazy, is that all the guys on here that are “all out Titan” are very cautious about about not exceeding payload. AS THEY SHOULD BE. But, when you look at numbers on other half ton trucks, (ram, Chevy, some f150) the payload is garbage!! My 2015 Titan had several hundred pounds more payload, than some of the new Chevy 1500, or rams. What’s more is these other makers advertise MASSIVE tow ratings, that cannot actually be accomplished, while maintaining the proper trailer tongue weight. Taco1588, please update how that monster truck pulls! I don’t know anything about that truck or engine, but definitely intrigued.

 

[ChiefEng]

My ‘21 P4X payload is 1818, but I have the titan boxes and sunroof option. We pull a 33 ft TT that we have probably maxed out at 7500 lbs. came from an F150 that had 1483 lb payload and the difference is night and day. We towed from Houston to Durango and back through southern NM and then another trip to northern arkansas. It is a relaxing drive with the XD. Even my wife drove a bit coming back from Bastrop SP before Thanksgiving. I think I’d feel comfortable up to 10k.

I would also be comfortable towing 10k. (As long as I don’t over do payload) I have 5 guys in my department at work. This year we got money to purchase 3 vehicles to replace what we had. One of the trucks that we were looking at was a 2021 Titan Platinum. Gorgeous truck. The truck was to replace a 2014 ram 1500. Anyway, from the day I started working at the place the guys always made fun of me because I was a “Nissan guy”. No one knows about Titans right? Who would buy one?… they said. Well, I bought the truck, and they have all changed their tone. They love it. Last week, we went to one of our remote sites, and loaded up 33 large 12v batteries. These batteries were very old, and weighed between 55lbs each, we then loaded about 900 lbs of old wire on top, and headed to the recycling place. (Total weight in the truck bed was about 2,880lbs) Now, we slid it as far forward as we could in the box. We knew this was more weight than the rating, but we put on the flashers and took it cool. The guys could not believe that the truck squated to about level, and the ride of the truck was solid, and the rear end certainly was not bouncing. Anyway, my point is, I have yet to find anyone that is not impressed with the truck, and those that “think” they are skeptical, are thinking differently now.

 

[TitanWheeler]

We currently have a 21 Titan Pro-4x. We absolutely love the truck. However, we recently upgraded our 32ft camper for a 37ft camper that has a max weight of 10,200. We currently have it around 9,000, and its a 900lb hitch weight. We do have a WD hitch with upgraded spring bars and have added a 2nd sway control. The Titans power and brakes are very good, but as many of you could probably tell, the Titan is no longer fit for the job. We recently took a trip from TX-TN-IA-TX. As yall could imagine, the tail was wagging the dog. It was controllable, but anytime a semi or gust of wind came by, things got hairy. We are looking to upgrade trucks, and I cant decided between a Titan XD or F250. We wont be upgrading campers again anytime soon, so one of those trucks will work. I am fully positive that the F250 will do the job, but we are looking at a Lariat model with the options, and its like $75-80K. A XD Pro-4X with the options is closer to $60-65K. My concern is, will the XD perform that much better over our current Titan? Is is worth buying for my situation over a F250? I dont want to spend the extra money on the F250 if the XD will do the job as we need it. We take the camper out about every other month, but do the long trips about 3-4 times a year. Overall, im looking to improve stability. Thanks yall.

We currently have a 21 Titan Pro-4x. We absolutely love the truck. However, we recently upgraded our 32ft camper for a 37ft camper that has a max weight of 10,200. We currently have it around 9,000, and its a 900lb hitch weight. We do have a WD hitch with upgraded spring bars and have added a 2nd sway control. The Titans power and brakes are very good, but as many of you could probably tell, the Titan is no longer fit for the job. We recently took a trip from TX-TN-IA-TX. As yall could imagine, the tail was wagging the dog. It was controllable, but anytime a semi or gust of wind came by, things got hairy. We are looking to upgrade trucks, and I cant decided between a Titan XD or F250. We wont be upgrading campers again anytime soon, so one of those trucks will work. I am fully positive that the F250 will do the job, but we are looking at a Lariat model with the options, and its like $75-80K. A XD Pro-4X with the options is closer to $60-65K. My concern is, will the XD perform that much better over our current Titan? Is is worth buying for my situation over a F250? I dont want to spend the extra money on the F250 if the XD will do the job as we need it. We take the camper out about every other month, but do the long trips about 3-4 times a year. Overall, im looking to improve stability. Thanks yall.

Look at the frame on the XD and weight I have a 2016 XD PR I haul a 36 ft 10000 pound bumper pull camper with a WD hitch. With the WD hitch done right I don't notice it's back there once in on the highway.

Just remember the F250 is 70 to 80K and you will get around 8 miles a gallon pulling that size of a trailer. But it will pull it great.
Just my thoughts

 

[TitanWheeler]

The XD weight is 7480 pounds it helps keep it from swaying. When pulling

 

[Taco1588]

Look at the frame on the XD and weight I have a 2016 XD PR I haul a 36 ft 10000 pound bumper pull camper with a WD hitch. With the WD hitch done right I don't notice it's back there once in on the highway.

Just remember the F250 is 70 to 80K and you will get around 8 miles a gallon pulling that size of a trailer. But it will pull it great. MPG depends on where we are.
Just my thoughts

Yeah we aren’t too thrilled about price, but shouldn’t have to do this again for awhile. I currently get about 6-8mpg pulling the camper on our non XD Titan which is lighter but same engine and tranny.

 

[Turbohawk]

FORD=Fix or replace daily...I'll never try another. Too many headaches and BS from Ford not wanting to honor their crap warranty. Chevy? Probably just as bad but I'll never know. If TitanXD goes away (or something like it) I guess I'm done with new trucks.

 

[RGuy]

Just FYI, I just bought a 2023 titan xd pro4x. All the options (convenience, premium, off road, rugged steps, etc.) Sticker says payload of 1880, and right above it is a yellow caution sticker stating added options reduced cargo carrying capacity by another 228lbs. I asked the dealer what that was about and they said the rugged steps and titan boxes are added somewhere between rolling off the the factory floor and delivery to dealer and they reduce the sticker by the weight of those options. That's on top of the hit already taken for the built in options that bring it down from the book value 2233 to 1880. That equates to a payload of 1652 now, which is awful for a truck this beefy. Worse than my 2020 expedition max. The payload isn't an issue for what I plan to use it for. If it was, I would've ordered it with less options. Just giving you all a heads up.

 

[RGuy]

An add on post. The load sticker's on the pro4x's without the premium/convenience packages were all 2140lbs. That huge moon roof is the weight killer I think.

 

[Taco1588]

Just FYI, I just bought a 2023 titan xd pro4x. All the options (convenience, premium, off road, rugged steps, etc.) Sticker says payload of 1880, and right above it is a yellow caution sticker stating added options reduced cargo carrying capacity by another 228lbs. I asked the dealer what that was about and they said the rugged steps and titan boxes are added somewhere between rolling off the the factory floor and delivery to dealer and they reduce the sticker by the weight of those options. That's on top of the hit already taken for the built in options that bring it down from the book value 2233 to 1880. That equates to a payload of 1652 now, which is awful for a truck this beefy. Worse than my 2020 expedition max. The payload isn't an issue for what I plan to use it for. If it was, I would've ordered it with less options. Just giving you all a heads up.

Wow! And thanks for the heads up. This was exactly what I was afraid of. We have a 15 Tacoma with 1053 lbs of payload. Our non XD Titan pro 4x has 1106 lbs of payload. I cannot believe the Tacoma can carry as much as our Titan, it’s a shame really. I love nissan vehicles and never had a problem with any of them, but with the lack of payload, fuzzy cameras, and a depreciation of $20,000 right now, I’ll have to rethink my quick choices when it comes to new Nissans. We payed $60K in 21 and it’s now worth $40K with only 15K miles, 🫤😞. We have to wait till June for ford to open the order books for the F350. We decided to go big and hope it’s the last truck we will need for several years. The current order books are closed and full.

 

[Taco1588]

An add on post. The load sticker's on the pro4x's without the premium/convenience packages were all 2140lbs. That huge moon roof is the weight killer I think.

That’s crazy! 2 pieces of glass would drop the payload that much! I’ve heard the Titan might be discontinued for 2025. If they come out with a new version instead, I hope they really listened to us owners.

 

[Taco1588]

FORD=Fix or replace daily...I'll never try another. Too many headaches and BS from Ford not wanting to honor their crap warranty. Chevy? Probably just as bad but I'll never know. If TitanXD goes away (or something like it) I guess I'm done with new trucks.

Lol. Ford is gonna be the best option I have. I know several people with them and love them, no issues. GM? Absolutely junk. Since 2020 they have nothing but lifter failures in all their big V8’s and electrical issues, Still uses a 6spd auto and the engine is the slowest of the 3. Ram? Full of electrical issues, expensive for the same options, mega cab is as big as fords crew cab, 6.4 hemi is the smallest engine and struggles to keep up, no massaging seats or pano sunroof for the price, worst reliability of the 3. Ford might not be perfect, but it’ll be the best pick of the 3. That 7.3L is bulletproof and the 10spd will be nice to have. I love the 9spd in the Titan.

 

[cajun]

I personally say this truck is very under rated.

 

[NavyCuda]

I personally say this truck is very under rated.

Yep.

So many people get hung up on the number of gears too. My opinion, in a turbo diesel pickup truck 6 speeds is the sweet spot, 8 is the maximum. Most diesels have a flat torque curve for 2000+ rpm and in that 2000rpm a difference of 500rpm doesn’t make a significant difference in fuel consumption.