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Below I have configured the Titan XD and Ram 2500 diesel to similar specifications to meet my needs. There are options on the RAM such as air suspension, dual alternators, heated fabric seats and power adjustable pedals that are not available with the Nissan. Also the RAM is 5th wheel capable, 17k towing capacity and the larger Cummins engine.

So basically I am paying the same price for a Titan XD as I would for a more powerful and capable RAM 2500. Unless Nissan would be discounting 5k or more off the price it doesn’t make sense buying the Titan.




VERSION $50,970
TITAN® XD PRO-4X
Crew Cab -
5'7'' Standard -
4x4 -
TRANSMISSION Included
6-speed automatic transmission -
COLORS * Included
PACKAGES $1,100
PRO-4X® Utility and Audio Package $1,100
ACCESSORIES -
OTHER $1,195
Destination and Handling $1,195
TOTAL
MSRP [*] $53,265



2016 RAM 2500 BIG HORN CREW CAB 4X4 6'4" BOX
MSRP $45,225
ADDED FEATURES $17,885
DESTINATION CHARGES $1,195
TOTAL $64,305
DISCOUNT ($11,000)
SELLING PRICE $53,305

POWERTRAIN
6.7-Liter I6 Cummins® Turbo Diesel Engine $8,995
Dual Alternators Rated at 440-Amps $395
6-Speed Automatic 68RFE Transmission $0
3.42 Rear Axle Ratio --
GVW Rating - 10,000 Pounds --
Auto Level Rear Air Suspension $1,595

COLORS & INTERIORS
Premium Cloth Bucket Seats $270
Black / Diesel Gray Interior Colors $0
Brilliant Black Crystal Pearl Coat Exterior Paint $0

PACKAGES
Protection Group $50
Cold Weather Group $90
Luxury Group $1,040
Black Appearance Group $1,695

OPTIONS

Exterior
20-Inch x 8.0-Inch Black Painted Aluminum Wheels --
LT285/60R20E OWL On/Off-Road Tires --
Power Black Trailer Tow Mirrors w/Power Fold-Away $180
Rear Window Defroster $195
Center High-Mount Stop Lamp w//Cargo View Camera $325
5th Wheel / Gooseneck Towing Prep Group $400
Black Tubular Side Steps $425
Spray-In Bedliner $475


Interior
Uconnect® 8.4 $605
Power Adjustable Pedals $125
Instrument Panel Mounted Auxiliary Switches $130
Security Alarm $150
Single Disc Remote CD Player $195
ParkSense® Rear Park Assist System $250
9 Alpine® Speakers with Subwoofer $300
 

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That's probably one reason Nissan isn't selling many. First they need to build them in large quantities, plop large incentives on the hood, and cross fingers they gain market share the first year. Most important, in parallel they need to go back to the XD drawing board.

Hopefully Mr Diaz is still the right guy for the job.
 

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Another reason they probably aren't selling any is because nobody knows they exist. How many people here were surprised that Nissan did not advertise the truck for the Super Bowl?
 

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Another reason they probably aren't selling any is because nobody knows they exist. How many people here were surprised that Nissan did not advertise the truck for the Super Bowl?
I'm surprised. Nissan must have spent all their marketing money on the Heisman house.
 

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I always liked the adjustable pedals on my current Titan guess they dropped that feature in favor of the telescoping steering wheel. Good comparison for those still on the fence thank you for posting.
 

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All the 1500's are under rams 2500's capabilities. All the super expensive Lts do not match any HD truck. It is a mute point. I like the XD but I hope they change things in the next yr. More power! Center console shifter. The scabs off the front fenders. And a headlight change. The bones of this truck are all there. I just needs a proper team of engineers to excuse the changes. When I am ready to purchase it will be this or the 2017 duramax. The truck will probably have close to 500hp and 1000tq. That much hp and an Alison trans would be hard to pass up.
 

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It's not a moot point.

Yes, all the 1/2 tons on the market have less rated capabilities than the 3/4 ton trucks. Logically.

The issue is, and the comparison comes from, the fact the Titan XD is LESS truck for THE SAME money as a 3/4 ton, that was labeled as being MORE truck than other 1/2 tons. Oh and it has less power than any other truck on the market; no I wouldn't be surprised if the EcoDiesel would outrun it merging onto the interstate, it's that bad.

I don't understand how folks cannot figure this out.
 
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It's not a moot point.

Yes, all the 1/2 tons on the market have less rated capabilities than the 3/4 ton trucks. Logically.

The issue is, and the comparison comes from, the fact the Titan XD is LESS truck for THE SAME money as a 3/4 ton, that was labeled as being MORE truck than other 1/2 tons. Oh and it has less power than any other truck on the market; no I wouldn't be surprised if the EcoDiesel would outrun it merging onto the interstate, it's that bad.

I don't understand how folks cannot figure this out.
One memorable video pickup blogger review captured the XD's gutless nature was when the driver initially stepped on the peddle with a medium trailer in tow and said something like is this thing dragging an anchor? It didn't have the power he expected when towing such a small trailer.

There's a time for added girth but smaller displacement engines with half ton capability ain't one of those times. Nissan did well on initial marketing with 'Diesel Goodness' etc but failed miserably on design execution.
 

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Except it is a Nissan. My current Titan, a 2004 that I have owned since new, has been (and is) the best vehicle I have ever owned. 200K Miles and it has never left me on the side of the road. No rattles, groans, squeaks and the suspension and steering still tight as a drum.

The XD will give me about 3000# of increased towing capacity and about 500# more payload.

Sure, the Ram has more capacity. But it's a magnificent powerplant married to a questionable transmission, wrapped in a Fiat-Chrysler wrapper.

Not to mention that, according to the Wall Street Journal, Fiat is desperately looking for a merger partner and has made overtures to GM. If that happens (admittedly a long shot) you think GM will build it's own trucks and RAM? Or does RAM get shut down or sold...

Opinions obviously vary widely.
 

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One memorable video pickup blogger review captured the XD's gutless nature was when the driver initially stepped on the peddle with a medium trailer in tow and said something like is this thing dragging an anchor? It didn't have the power he expected when towing such a small trailer.

There's a time for added girth but smaller displacement engines with half ton capability ain't one of those times. Nissan did well on initial marketing with 'Diesel Goodness' etc but failed miserably on design execution.
This truck would've done well at around 6500lbs. It would've been plenty stable and had plenty get up and go. Too bad Nissan didn't think of that.

Except it is a Nissan. My current Titan, a 2004 that I have owned since new, has been (and is) the best vehicle I have ever owned. 200K Miles and it has never left me on the side of the road. No rattles, groans, squeaks and the suspension and steering still tight as a drum.

The XD will give me about 3000# of increased towing capacity and about 500# more payload.

Sure, the Ram has more capacity. But it's a magnificent powerplant married to a questionable transmission, wrapped in a Fiat-Chrysler wrapper.

Not to mention that, according to the Wall Street Journal, Fiat is desperately looking for a merger partner and has made overtures to GM. If that happens (admittedly a long shot) you think GM will build it's own trucks and RAM? Or does RAM get shut down or sold...

Opinions obviously vary widely.
Do a search online about Titan engine failures. They're not bullet proof. Every make has their issues. And Nissan has shown that it will not fix a problematic issue, until they are good and ready. And if the Ram has a questionable transmission, the XD does as well. The XD is unproven, at this point. Only time will tell.
 

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"Except it's a Nissan"

What in the world is that supposed to mean? What, does Nissan have some magical formula to truck longevity?


When Nissan has 20, 30, 40, 50+ year old trucks still on the road, then you can brag. As such, you got nothin' on Dodge, Ford, or GM. But it was slightly (emphasis on slightly) amusing.

But to focus on the more recent....are you attempting to convince me that Titan sales have been so awful because Titan owners are NOT replacing their vehicles, and the others are? One could figure you are alluding to as such. Titan has been universally panned since it came out; sure they can be perfectly reliable and last a decade, but news flash, so are the others.

And PS, the XD has the SAME EXACT transmission as the 3500 HO Dodge does, so I guess if the Dodge has a "questionable" transmission, so does your Titan. Come on man, the old BS that Dodge transmissions are inferior is so overplayed it's not even funny; see people are easy. If you repeat something enough, whether true or not, it will be taken as fact. Case in point: morons bought new Dodge diesel trucks, cranked up the power and were baffled when the transmission failed. Well dummy, leave it alone and the trans will last. If not, expect it to fail and pony up like a big boy.

Clearly you're simply regurgitating the narrative you read on the internet somewhere. I'll stack a Dodge up against a Titan all day long; not only will it out perform the Titan in all aspects, it will out last it. Like the Men's Warehouse dude would say....I guarantee it.
 
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We are just going in circles here. You don't like the XD. I get that. I like Nissan products, you get that. We are never going to agree so let's just leave it at that. Your experience with RAM has obviously been as positive as has mine with Nissan.

I'll buy my XD next Fall when the prices are negotiable. You will either keep your current RAM or replace it with shiny new. We will both be happy.

Life is too short...
 

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Why are some people on this forum when it seems all they want to do is crap on the truck? It's not gonna be for everyone, but I have better things to do with my life than visit forums for things I don't like and talk bad about them. Got a couple of those here. Just doesn't make sense.
 

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Why are some people on this forum when it seems all they want to do is crap on the truck? It's not gonna be for everyone, but I have better things to do with my life than visit forums for things I don't like and talk bad about them. Got a couple of those here. Just doesn't make sense.
As you say, cool story bro.

Things only make sense when one is willing to pay attention.
 

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Why are some people on this forum when it seems all they want to do is crap on the truck? It's not gonna be for everyone, but I have better things to do with my life than visit forums for things I don't like and talk bad about them. Got a couple of those here. Just doesn't make sense.
Well, you(and I mean everyone that cries about the negatives being posted, as well) took the time to come on a thread labeled as this is, to voice your opinion. You already knew what it was about. You must've had a little free time.But you don't like other's opinions.You got the ones for it and others against it. People post reviews that show the XD's qualities good, bad, and everywhere in between. And that's the same way with personal opinions.It seems like no one wants to see the negatives of this build, though, and when they're brought up, people get butthurt. It's all fine and good when everyone's high fiving and giving ata boys, though. People use these forums to make a decision on vehicle purchase. Some of them are less informed on automobiles. They would do better to have the pros and cons, but at this point, so new in the game, the owners aren't going to admit all the downfalls, just yet. But other than that, people have been arguing about cars, since the first self propelled one was invented. That's how the turbo charger was invented back in 1901, for use in the horse less cart mud drags, in east Pennsylvania. True story.
 

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When Nissan has 20, 30, 40, 50+ year old trucks still on the road, then you can brag. As such, you got nothin' on Dodge, Ford, or GM. But it was slightly (emphasis on slightly) amusing.
Amusing true, but I have 206,000 on my Titan and it has more power then when I drove it off the lot in 2005.

I used to be a fleet buyer for a large company and I will tell you the Dodge trucks were the most problematic of all the trucks hands down, Chevy was better, with Ford's being the best. Back then Nissan was not in the game, but Nissan would have been at least as good as Ford. So ... for a 10.5 year old truck I will say Nissan has done a great job.

But to focus on the more recent....are you attempting to convince me that Titan sales have been so awful because Titan owners are NOT replacing their vehicles, and the others are? One could figure you are alluding to as such. Titan has been universally panned since it came out; sure they can be perfectly reliable and last a decade, but news flash, so are the others.
Naw, The Titan is a cult truck. I love it, but lets face it Nissan was not even sure it was going to stay in the game 5 years ago. It took a bunch of convincing to get them to stay in it ...

And PS, the XD has the SAME EXACT transmission as the 3500 HO Dodge does, so I guess if the Dodge has a "questionable" transmission, so does your Titan. Come on man, the old BS that Dodge transmissions are inferior is so overplayed it's not even funny; see people are easy. If you repeat something enough, whether true or not, it will be taken as fact. Case in point: morons bought new Dodge diesel trucks, cranked up the power and were baffled when the transmission failed. Well dummy, leave it alone and the trans will last. If not, expect it to fail and pony up like a big boy.
OK so if you are comparing the 3500 to the XD, I agree, but compare the 1500. HAHAHA ... ;) you know what I mean. We towed a 4500lbs welding trailer with that Dodge with 2500 miles on it ... The transmission went BOOM. Warranty replacement and it exploded again at ~ 13000 miles. <-- that's another story...


Clearly you're simply regurgitating the narrative you read on the internet somewhere. I'll stack a Dodge up against a Titan all day long; not only will it out perform the Titan in all aspects, it will out last it. Like the Men's Warehouse dude would say....I guarantee it.
So you want to put a 10 year old Dodge 1500 up against my 10 year old Titan OK, and and Lets attach an 8000lbs trailer behind it and see how it goes ... :kiss:
 

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I'm sure there are probably some Nissan guys on other big 3 forums also talking trash about Ford, Chevy, and Dodge etc but I just don't get why some folks are even on here when you would clearly never buy a Nissan no matter what they released. People join a Nissan forum to discuss Nissan not to hear what a big 3 fan thinks about it. We already know what that is and always will be. Why not hang out with other big 3 owners and discuss your favorite brand. What truck is best is an argument no one will ever win so it's pointless. There are good qualities and features about each brand as well as positive and negative experiences with each brand from previous owners on that I think we can all agree. I'm about done here because it's next to impossible to ask a current owner a question about their new Titan without someone who would never even consider a Nissan giving their 2 cents. So much for joining a Nissan forum this clearly isn't one. Buy what suits your needs and I'll do the same and we will live with our decisions good or bad. As I mentioned earlier I'm all for open discussion and debate but when it's with folks that would never consider Nissan it's just an argument like Republican or Democrat and it's never going anywhere.
 

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And for the record I'm not butt hurt by hearing any negatives about the truck I have pointed out some myself. Discussing a truck with folks that would clearly never purchase one even if it would out tow every other diesel, haul more than CAT dump truck, rode like a luxury car, and got 100 miles per gallon is a waste of everyone's time.
 

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I tend to keep my trucks for around 100,000km and having owned 7 brandnew trucks in the past 10 yrs or so from all brands. I have a pretty good idea on down falls from all brands. Up until my 2012 when other brands ram, gmc and ford when done with at the 100,000km mark I had gone through brakes, wheel bearings, window motors, ball joints etc......
My 2012 titan needed nothing except a set of tires. The killer for titan for me was the fuel economy. At the time gas was at its highest and I do alot of driving. It was cheaper for me to buy a new F150 with the 2.7 then keep putting fuel in the titan. So I ordered a f150 last spring.
The 2.7 surved it's purpose at first great on fuel and a fun truck to drive. Then lots of issues started developing. I knew this truck wasn't going to be good. All the while I had been following the xd as I knew it would serve it's purpose for me and get better economy then the old generation.
I had my name on pretty much the first one in Canada. But then pricing got released. Had me second guessing the truck.
So I started looking at other options. Ram ecodiesel with its exceptional fuel economy intrigued me, but it's really low capacities detoured me. I thought about a ram 2500 but with my history with ram and other close friends A. They rust quick B. They need lots of maintenance wear items.
My next thought was the F250 xlt fx4 6.7 powerstroke with current incentives I could get it cheaper than the new xd. Then I finally drove the xd and f250 pretty much back to back. And got back into my 2015 f150. I knew for sure the xd was right for me. Bonus was finally I got an amazing deal on my f150 on trade and the xd made sense financially.
I knew the xd wouldn't win drag races. Would a few extra ponies be nice, of course. But I feel better knowing I have a well built truck. To sat after my first couple thousand km's my only gripe is it needs mud flaps says alot. Even economy has been better then I expected.
 
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