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Well I thought I would start another one of these threads.

The more we learn about the Titan XD, the more it looks to be closer to the
3/4 ton class such as the F-250.

Weight:
I predicted the Titan to be the heaviest "1/2 ton" but goddam! MT recorded
7,400 lbs. Keep in mind that this looks to be a fully loaded 4x4. Hard getting info for a loaded F-250, but a 2008 4x4 CC is 8,100 lbs as recorded by C&D. The Super duty has not changed much since then, however, it is reported that the Super duty would lose 350 lbs. Now we are talking 7750 lbs.
Advantage: Titan XD by a hair.

GVWR/payload
Still unsure of this for the Titan. Hopefully it gets 9000 GVWR at least. The F-250 is 9900 lbs if you wish to stay clear of extra license cost. That will get you 2,150 lbs payload on a fully loaded CC 4x4.
Advantage:?

Availability: Advantage Titan XD :)

Fuel Economy:
ugh, both are over 3.5 tons of steal (and aluminium) Physics at work here,
can't see there being much difference.
Advantage: None!


Price: Too early to tell

Power:
The Titan XD is equipped with a very sleak 5.0L Cummins rated at 310 Hp
and 555 Ft/Tq. Nice! The 6.7L, however, is rated at 440 HP and 860 Ft/tq in CURRENT form. They may decide to bump that up for 2017. In any case...
Advantage: F-250

Towing Capacity: See above :p
 

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Well I thought I would start another one of these threads.

The more we learn about the Titan XD, the more it looks to be closer to the
3/4 ton class such as the F-250.

Weight:
I predicted the Titan to be the heaviest "1/2 ton" but goddam! MT recorded
7,400 lbs. Keep in mind that this looks to be a fully loaded 4x4. Hard getting info for a loaded F-250, but a 2008 4x4 CC is 8,100 lbs as recorded by C&D. The Super duty has not changed much since then, however, it is reported that the Super duty would lose 350 lbs. Now we are talking 7750 lbs.
Advantage: Titan XD by a hair.

GVWR/payload
Still unsure of this for the Titan. Hopefully it gets 9000 GVWR at least. The F-250 is 9900 lbs if you wish to stay clear of extra license cost. That will get you 2,150 lbs payload on a fully loaded CC 4x4.
Advantage:?

Availability: Advantage Titan XD :)

Fuel Economy:
ugh, both are over 3.5 tons of steal (and aluminium) Physics at work here,
can't see there being much difference.
Advantage: None!


Price: Too early to tell

Power:
The Titan XD is equipped with a very sleak 5.0L Cummins rated at 310 Hp
and 555 Ft/Tq. Nice! The 6.7L, however, is rated at 440 HP and 860 Ft/tq in CURRENT form. They may decide to bump that up for 2017. In any case...
Advantage: F-250

Towing Capacity: See above :p
Ugly badge on fender:
Advantage: 2017 F-250
 

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comfort and reliability not yet known.
Cost and availability of parts: F250
 

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Driving through my STL parking garage to the 4th floor I count 25 F150's.


I count about 5 Titans.


Advantage XD: I want to have something that isn't in everyone's garage.
 

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In my opinion (*** disclaimer *** this is MY opinion) the Titan XD will only be deemed a true success (relative to the big 3) if they can pull the hat trick on ALL the three areas that seem to matter.

1. Tow ratings must exceed current 1/2 ton ratings.
2. MPG numbers must be better than current 3/4 tons (be more like current 1/2 ton numbers).
3. Cost must be enough of an incentive to ditch the big 3.

On paper, and what Nissan has told us the new titan XD will be, sounds exactly like a perfect fit for me. BUT, then again, Nissan has been very ambiguous with their details. Tow ratings are said to be 12,000 pounds+ (Not a very exact number), MPGs are said to be 20% better than a gas equivalent when towing (relative to what gas motor/truck? Even MORE ambiguous), cost estimates have been all over the place. IMHO Nissan HAS to hit all three of the above criteria to make it worth while.
 

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According to Nissan's RGIII vs Titan Xd comparison the weight is 6000 lbs and tow is 12316 lbs. I'm thinking this sounds about right for weight.

My Titan CC is about 5200 and change, throw in about 300 to 400 for the cummins and Aisin tranny and another 300 to 400 for chassis and cab.

Rumors for GVW are around 8500. So I'm thinking payload around 2300 to 2500. I was looking at current F250s so can't say about the 2017 but the payloads looked to be pushing 3000. The power stroke in the F250 is overkill better suited for the F350 in my opinion.
 

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Robert Griffin the 3rd, American football player. Former Heisman winner from Baylor and current (benched ) QB for the Washington Redskins.

Very hyped player that looked to be a game changing player in his first year. Got hurt and was never the same. Has a huge ego and seems to think nothing is ever his fault. He's become a joke and poster boy for being an over confident premadonna in the NFL.
 

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Nissan has always struggled with marketing. The Q45 made the LS400 look like a camry, but the LS400 had better marketing and easily outsold the Q45.

The marketing on the 300zx wasn't great either and the one excellent commercial they had, they pulled.
 

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I'm happy to see this thread alive and factual - especially since facts are hard to come by for both vehicles right now.

One factor for me will be the financing terms available - I love me some 0% APR but they never seem to happen on the F-250s.
 

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According to Nissan's RGIII vs Titan Xd comparison the weight is 6000 lbs and tow is 12316 lbs. I'm thinking this sounds about right for weight.

My Titan CC is about 5200 and change, throw in about 300 to 400 for the cummins and Aisin tranny and another 300 to 400 for chassis and cab.

Rumors for GVW are around 8500. So I'm thinking payload around 2300 to 2500. I was looking at current F250s so can't say about the 2017 but the payloads looked to be pushing 3000. The power stroke in the F250 is overkill better suited for the F350 in my opinion.
6000 lbs might have been a bone stock Titan 2x4 with no options. Motor Trend actually weighed this beast. Over 7400 lbs for a loaded 4x4. I realize we don't have solid numbers for 2017 4x4 F-250 but with the new aluminium, the Titan will only be a few hundred pounds lighter. GVWR needs to be 9000 lbs at least!

There is very little difference between F-250 and an F-350 SRW. Really, there is a bigger difference between an F-150 and an F-150 HD. I agree that Ford would be wise to have a de-tuned Diesel option such as that of the Ram 2500.

I'm happy to see this thread alive and factual - especially since facts are hard to come by for both vehicles right now.
Very cheeky, but there was a thread section for this kind of thread. No doubt this is the FIRST truck thread based on speculation.
 

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Very cheeky, but there was a thread section for this kind of thread. No doubt this is the FIRST truck thread based on speculation.
It probably read the wrong way but I was actually not being cheeky. We've kind of cobbled together what facts we think we have and tried to look at it objectively - I've been on some of the other forums and even with lots of hard facts, the discussion devolves rapidly to anecdotes.

I do like it here (no sarcasm intended). :)

And I do want to think about the XD vs 2017 F250 Powerstroke vs 2017 GMC Sierra HD, even if we have really limited hard info.
 

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6000 lbs might have been a bone stock Titan 2x4 with no options. Motor Trend actually weighed this beast. Over 7400 lbs for a loaded 4x4. I realize we don't have solid numbers for 2017 4x4 F-250 but with the new aluminium, the Titan will only be a few hundred pounds lighter. GVWR needs to be 9000 lbs at least!
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What I don't understand is why Nissan puts that heavy a truck on P rated tires. At least that's all I can find on the US build page. Even Ford's F150 HD Payload comes with LT-C tires.

Not a deal breaker, but they really do seem to emphasize a "grocery-getter", smooth ride. Hope the spring/shocks are up to the job.
 

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One factor for me will be the financing terms available - I love me some 0% APR but they never seem to happen on the F-250s.
Up here the gas F250s get the 0% APR, but the diesels get the big cash discounts. I prefer the discounts actually as we pay cash up front.
 

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What I don't understand is why Nissan puts that heavy a truck on P rated tires. At least that's all I can find on the US build page. Even Ford's F150 HD Payload comes with LT-C tires.

Not a deal breaker, but they really do seem to emphasize a "grocery-getter", smooth ride. Hope the spring/shocks are up to the job.
You're right, the nissan US configurator specifies P rated tires. Although, all the pictures I saw on the web were with LTs.
I assume that someone who doesn't know about tires terminology that fed the wrong info to the programmer.
 

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You're right, the nissan US configurator specifies P rated tires. Although, all the pictures I saw on the web were with LTs.
I assume that someone who doesn't know about tires terminology that fed the wrong info to the programmer.
Didn't look that closely at web pictures.
This is good to hear!:smile2:
 

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Tires are defiantely LT as we found out today.

Comfort: Advantage Titan XD. Didnt know about the hydraulic cab mounts. For those with a bad back, this outweighs all.

Payload: Advantage F-250 by a good margin. If any vehicle needed an aluminium body it would have been the Titan. A shame it ended up being so **** heavy.
 
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