maybe I am just lucky, but mine shifts just the way I would want a truck to shift. The ride is smooth and it is one of the quietest vehicles I have owned. I have owned several trucks over the years from a White diesel, to Ford diesels and Dodge gasoline. The modern diesel emissions is something I could live without, but not an issue if you do road miles.

 

Why did you make the purchase if you felt the "others" had a smoother transmission shift. I can understand frustration with excessive times at the dealership...however that seems to be a dealership issue not a truck issue. As I've said before I must really be lucky because I haven't had any issues and my dealership is fantastic. I don't know my exact build date, but I purchased mine in February so I definitely have an earlier build than most.

Keep in mind it's not a luxury car...it't a truck designed for working utility purposes. If you want smooth luxury buy a Lexus or and Escalade.

 

I didnt feel how hard it had shifted at first on the test drive, i live in a city so its pretty hard to really get it up to speed or put it through its paces on a test drive. Also, i am on my 2nd dealership trying to get it resolved, i already have the 6 year 100k mile bumper to bumper warranty from nissan, but i honestly cant afford to keep taking it in even though i have the extended warranty. I need to respond sometimes in minutes and when my truck is gone or if its really cold and takes upwards of 6 minutes to start, it can be life or death. Im glad yours is problem free though, hope it stays that way for you. And just a side note, i am coming from a ram 3500 srw and to me that shifted smoother and i worked it much harder then i do this one since im out of the field work now.

 

What wakinvol said!!!


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I assume you've had the TCM update and still don't like it?


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I have had all 3 updates and have the most current one, along with the most current ECM update.

 

The transmission issue is more of a misunderstanding or lack of knowledge of how that model shifts & it just needing more programming tweaks. The new Ram owners went through the same thing & it basically has been resolved.

Also, the Big3 blame everything on the fuel so that's not just a Nissan thing, it comes with the territory of owning a diesel.
Not saying it's right.
Yes, Nissan bit off a big chunk when they decided on going into the diesel world.
But anyone with half of a brain should of assumed it was going to be a possible rough few years with this model.

 

The big 3 blame it on fuel but atleast they have a fix for it, as in the block heater. I dont even have that option to me, ive owned diesels before this one as well and have lived in the same place i do now and my 6.7 cummins would still start right away with no block heater. I do not live in canada, it was only in the negatives here for 2 days so far and both of those days the truck would pretty much not start, when i was at the dealership yesterday the first thing the guy asked me was if my truck started when it was cold, i said no and he said yeah your not the only one that has came in.

 

What wakinvol said!!! Plus----I bought my XD in February and my only complaint is the lousy trade I got and missed the end of year rebates. It is a great truck, LOVE IT.

 

I've seen your videos and it looks and sounds fine. Likes been said it's a truck not a rolls royce.
After reprogramming mine went through a hard shifting episode for about a thousand miles, then it figured out what it wanted to do. The mechanic at the dealer I go to said he had one truck take 3500 miles to settle down.

 

I understand its a truck, ive never owned anything but diesel. With that said go and test drive a ram 3500 or a chevy duramax and tell me they shift like the titan does. They dont, unless its just my truck they dont.

 

I watched your video of the cold starts and I can see your frustration with that as well as a lot of the owners that are experiencing similar things in colder areas. I think it was STUPID of Cummins to not just make the block heater a standard feature everywhere. I mean even a titan xd sold in Hawaii could make its way on vacation at some point in its life to the artic...! It would have been cheaper in the long run and I think on future years of this truck it will become standard equipment. As far as the shifts go... the aisin does shift like a truck... it does have some querky high revs when it shouldn't but I don't think it is a problem (only something to get fixated on). If the tranny breaks they will fix it otherwise just chalk it up as a characteristic of the truck. In your coule videos i dont notic3 any bone jarring shifts it seems similiar to mine... As far as your videos show there is a lot of red lights in your area and that constant stop and go does kill your mpgs. The training at Nissan for the Cummins should be more than a 1 day course. If you are not happy with your dealer take it to another with a more educated service team. It's a new model Truck and there is going to be some issues with parts availability unfortunately. I don't think the reasons you have given are enough to call this a bad truck and don't buy one. Mine is at the shop right now getting the block heater installed after waiting a couple months to get one. Again I am not saying you are wrong. Maybe a dodge or Chevy or ford will shift better but I personally don't want to drive any of those and love my xd. On January 18th will be a year of owning my truck and would buy it all over again. No hesitation... sorry for the long winded post...

 

People on here are acting like im just **** talking the truck, i spent 50k on my truck just like everyone else so its not like i didnt give it a try you know haha. I just feel like for a half ton truck because thats truly what it is, it should shift smoother and not hesitate shifts when slowing down to make a turn ect. The reason i titled, Do not buy the titan xd, is because personally i do not think you should buy it. I said in the video if your going to buy it wait until 2018 or 2019 model years of the truck to buy its because youd hope by then everything would be fixed and it would have a block heater and parts availability will be up. Like i said, im out 50k at this point with a product im not happy with so its not like i am just being a little bitch about it haha. If this was a 2006 truck and shifted like this i could see that. I went a test drove a 3500 ram with the aisin today just to see if it would shift as hard because ive never drove one with the aisin and its much smoother. These are 2016 trucks and should perform and shift like 2016 trucks. Thats just me personally i guess though.

 

If I'm not mistaken and may stand corrected, The titan XD has a 5.0 cummins engine that has been out for a long time and was used in applications such as school busses ect... the only difference is the turbo system. The dodge I6 has what 700-800 Pound feet of torque? Our Titan XD has 555 pound feet of torque and guess what from my understanding it is the exact same transmission in the dodge with the I6 cummins. I get the rough shift also (not bad) but i am aware that the truck has a transmission that is capable of way more torque thus making it more reliable in this truck. This may be where the so called "rough shift" is coming from. Towing i feel nothing abnormal. I have a 2017 XD PR 4x4 had a few cosmetic issues all were fixed and settled. I would recommend this truck to anyone who whats a 5/8 ton truck that gets great fuel mileage and still can get the big jobs done!

 

The transmissions between the two trucks are not the same, the one used in the titan xd is rated for less torque where as the one in the 6.7 cummins is rated for more torque. Same brand but different models, plus i went and test drove a 3500 today just to see if it was an aisin transmission characteristic where it would shift hard but i test drove it and it was very smooth. Both the upshifts and down shifts were nice along with downshifting suddenly to make a turn and then giving it some throttle. It may or may not have to do with the torque management, but then again ram and nissan have pretty much the same torque management systems in place, where as in the duramax you get all the power even in first gear compared to the titan and ram where you dont get all your power till the 3rd gear.

 

http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2016/04/2016-nissan-titan-xd-towing-58ths-ton-truck/

Here is the link and if you do your due diligence you'll see its the truth.

 

mine shifted real hard when I first got it .. and down shifted horrible ..but I figured that was how it was supposed to work... after having it now 5months the truck shifts so much smoother to were I dont even notice.. how or why dont know but happy with it..

 

Mine shifts probably how yours was at first accept ive got 7k miles on it now, and after the last flash done yesterday it shifts harder and down shifting is worse as well.

 

Can't speak for the Ram, but my truck search came down between d-max 2500 and the XD...power hands down to the Chevy, but it had the ride of a log wagon and yes it shifted like a truck. Not judging your issues because I haven't ridden in your truck but when you speak of hard shifts sometimes I think it comes down to personal preference at times.


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I like the way mine shifts .. It feels like its got some nutz ... If i want to drive a vehicle with really smooth shifts i take my wifes outback for a spin ... It really nice and smooooth !!! Its a cvt ... Xxx

 

This is 2016, transmissions should shift smooth, and this truck has no nutz lol. acceleration isnt even good in it, merging into traffic with 10k on the trailer. Yeah, whatever.

 

Coming from a 06 6 spd Allison to the Titan XD with the Aisin, I find very little difference in the firmness of the shifting. I have no issues with the Aisin.

 

I'm gonna sound like a "Richard " here but most of your posts are complaint based. Maybe it's a you thing.

There is NO perfect vehicle...just as in life. Maybe you should adapt and overcome.

 

Soooo.... you're complaining about his complaints? Quit bitching and move on!!! :devil:
He's entitled to his opinion and unlike some other threads, his complaints are based on his real wold experience while driving his XD!
First you fan boys were complaining (or should I say bitching?) about people who didnt own an XD and were talking negatively about it. Now you guys are complaining about the people who do own one and are giving a not so great opinion. :surprise:

Your opinion, based on your experience, is that you would recommend the truck, right? His is that he would not. Your opinion is no more valid than his, if you want him (or anyone else) to quit talking negatively, then you (and everyone else) must also quit speaking positively about it as well. Fair is fair after all.

Yes, this IS a ridiculous request, which is done on purpose to show you how ridiculous you all sound with your responses to his post.

 

God help anyone that doesn't have anything but praise for the new Titan. Hey bro, I'm sorry your experience hasn't been great, but my truck has been trouble free since purchased in August. Was it a risk to purchase, **** YEAH! Would I be stressed if my truck had the issues you're experiencing, again, **** YEAH! When it comes to vehicles of all brands, we all kinda roll the dice on getting what we expect/paid for. Either way, your entitled to voice your opinion whether good or bad about YOUR truck. I really hope things get resolved for you soon.

 

Thank you haha, its not like im happy about all this. I mean i made a video to try to help people out before buying the truck now. I even said in the video to wait until 2017 or 2018 model years. I have been very active in this forum since i joined and now that i have an opinion that varies from everyone else im getting the dick lol. I mean i dont enjoy loosing money everyday i dont have my truck.

 

So calling someone out on things that are not true as in not the same tranny and the XD is a 1/2 truck or other heavy duty trucks shift like a CVT? Making a statement like "don't by an XD" Come on...I don't think most mind bringing the problems to the for front, that's what these forums are about, but get the facts straight...


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They arent the same transmissions, go onto aisins website and check it out. They are two different trannies.

 

Mine shifts fine. Always has.
But it is a bit better now at 4K miles than it was new.

The heated seats could be warmer, it could get better than 19 mpg.
The front end could be a little less ugly.
Frogs could grow wings so they don't bump their ass when they hop.

It's a truck, I love mine.

 

Head over to Dodge/Ram Cummins forums and you may find some useful information there on the Aisin. Those guys have been using them for sometime now. People complaining about the hard/weird shifting on the Aisin, just as here the expectations are for smooth shifting. It's seems that's those that tow heavy really like it, even saw comments about the clunking noise. They describe the same type learn feature just as we have with the XD as well.

 

Have an XD SV diesel 4X2 that's w/o any problems what so ever, and I recommend that you buy a Titan XD diesel if you test drove it and like it. They're very good trucks!

 

The above is kind of what I was getting at. You do have every right to complain, but to me it seems that you are complaining about things that are out of control of the truck. The shifts are what they are, there isn't any grinding or slipping, tires barking or spinning. That is the nature of the transmission. In both of your videos the ride seems to be smooth and quiet. As for the block heater I agree you probably need one, BUT did you not check on that at time of purchase.

When I think of complaining about things I think of water coming in during rain, or wind whistling due to improper seals, or oil usage. Those type problems indicate something wrong with the truck. But a transmission that doesn't shift smoothly as you think it should may not be broken. It may be the nature of the beast.

I'm not a "fan boy" by any stretch of the imagination. Yes, I do like my truck but I would be the first to complain if it had an issue that was genuinely wrong...not just an issue I don't like.

Just my thoughts.

 

Here's some comments regarding the XD Aisin transmission from RevMax Performance. Of coarse they looking at it from a tuners point of view.

"Saw above someone quoted that they thought the Nissan Titan is using the same transmission at the Ram 3500. This is completely FALSE!

The Titan AS69RC shares almost NOTHING with the Ram AS69RC. The only PART that interchanges between them is the valve body. Nothing else is even close. The converter is 3" smaller, the case, bellhousing and all internals are all completely different.

The Dodge version stinks, but the Nissan version is COMPLETE JUNK! If they crank those trucks past 650ft lbs of torque they will be popping transmission left and right.

We have both units in here and have of course torn down both and we were blown away with how bad the Nissan version was."

 

I can agree that the converter is not the same used in the ram, then again, not a product of the transmission, size isn't everything. I have a billet 9in vigilante from PI that is 5in smaller than my stock unit, but holds about 750hp all day while in lockup due to its larger clutch area and material. Now in the diesel world, back in the day you needed a large converter for fluid area and lots of cooling because the stator was always in freewheel under load at hwy speed creating heat, especially up long hills. Now days, you have multi-plate lock-up units that are tremendously more effective. Lock-up strategy for the titan xd starts as early as second gear, so big converters are a thing of the past. Once your moving, it's dang near a manual.

Now again, these guys are there to sell parts, and from my time with transmissions on the bench, a transmission isn't different if you use the same valvebody (buy his own admission), there are different orfice sizes/passages and plates if the internals have changed any measurable amount, just fact. He also has a transmission in development with his valve body and billet clutch drums slated for the titan XD/as69rc. Now frictions are a different matter as well, depending on the type material, there can be torque capacity lost in favor of a softer transitions between shifts, but I digress. I think we have beaten this horse plenty.

 

Of course my browser won't add the link correctly so cut and paste.

http://www.cumminsforum.com/forum/4...th-gen-performance-parts-discussion/1524242-2013-efilive-aisin-feedback-13.html

 

This thread has really ended up being the transmission thread.
It really does come down to personal preference as well.
Part of my like of the xd is the heavy dutyness of it. The flare ups between shifts smooth out with miles. But some of us dont mind it and know it's the nature of the beast.
When my sv got a reflash the tranny almost smoothed out too much. But eventually the shift pattern I was use to came back. I'm good with it. I don't consider it too bad.
But too each there own.
With that being said some attention does need to be made to rectify the diesel in cab smell. Yes it can be manipulated but you shouldn't have too. I know ram ecodiesel had a recall over it.

 

Pretty heated argument, as expected. OP, your videos will help a lot for future buyers. There are just some things that are hard to get from a test drive OR from reviewers who typically test their trucks in sunny California weather. Good on you. I just wish you would have noted that there is a GAS XD, which has had far less problems. I believe that is a good truck. Some actually don't mind the major problems of the diesel XD such as transmission shifts, cold starts, MAJOR acceleration delay. Others, like most that are commenting here, they are really defensive of their $50k purchase. Many of them don't have the courage to face that they might have made the wrong choice, unlike you.


also, some more transmission crap


http://www.allpar.com/mopar/transmissions/aisin.html

"The Ram started using the Aisin Seiki six-speed AS68RC automatic transmission in 2007, as an option on all of its diesel-powered chassis cab trucks; the transmission was rated at 750 lb-ft of input torque capacity..."

..."In 2013, Ram switched to the more robust AS69RC automatic, which also had some control changes for greater durability, and extended availability to the Ram 3500 pickup; Ram also claimed a 1% gain in transmission efficiency, with better driveability.

Maybe the XD's 66ND is closer to that of the older 68RC, which also had similiar ratios?

 

Or maybe the its based off the AS66RC, it does have a 66 in it. :devil:

"Starting in 2014, Ram 4500 and 5500 chassis cabs carried a standard Aisin AS66RC (also optional on Ram 3500). This transmission provided an optional 45 hp and 250 lb-ft of torque through a power takeoff (PTO) on either the right or left side of the cab; the computer uses cylinder deactivation on the Hemi while in PTO mode, saving fuel. The design of the AS66RC seems to be similar to the AS69RC; gear ratios are identical. In the chassis cabs, axle ratios were 4.44 (Ram 3500, 4500) or 4.88 (Ram 4500, 5500)."