[Bisley45]

I drove the gasser Pro4x yesterday and I really like it. For a big truck it was still fun to drive. The transmission felt similar to or previous generation, it always seemed to be in the right gear, with very quick/solid shifts.....completely different than the GM 5.3 6 speed experience.

I think I will be getting an SV at the end of the year.

 

[nihilus]

Back in the 4-speed days, regearing could make a big difference in performance. With 6 or more gears it is usually a waste of money unless MAYBE you bought a truck with very tall gears and wanted to put 35" tires or bigger on. Even then, it would just be easier to lock out the top gear like you can with the Ford and save a lot of money.

Changing tires or rear end ratios will not change how close together 6th and 7th is.

The top 2 gears on the 8-speeds from GM and RAM are not nearly that close together:

Nissan: 1.00; 0.86; 0.78
Ram__: 1.00; 0.84; 0.67
GM___: 1.00; 0.85; 0.65

 

[Imadogman]

I guess driving one will prove whether or not the gearing makes sense with the combination of HP, Torque, weight, and actual MPG numbers.
We will see...

 

[Shee Nut]

I would have liked to of seen 4th gear(1.41) a little closer to 5th (1.00)
Towing heavy at hwy speeds, that will come up. Almost as big of a gap as the gen 1.

 

[Shee Nut]

The 04-06 non vvt engines made "305" hp @4900 and fell off a cliff after that, all while shifting at 6150 rpm.

These new engines peak @5800, shifting at 6k (looks like it).

I wouldn't be surprised to see a 100-120hp difference at 6k+

My 06 base KC 4X2 went down the quarter 14.99 bone stock and 14.54 with cat back/cai in a not so great DA.

The gas XD will be quick and the "half ton" will fly imo. I predict they'll be close to the gm 6.2.

 

[nihilus]

Yeah with the better torque curve, it will be much closer to the 6.2L Gm than it would be the 5.3L. Best of all premium ilfuel is not needed.

A couple of good points on the 7-speed: direct ratio 5th means good efficiency in that gear pulling a medium trailer. Also 1st and reverse are close numerically which is desired by snow plowers. The 6r80 is good here too, however, the Ram 8 speed is not.

Dont mean to beat a dead horse but compare the ratios of the 7-speed to a 6r80 multiplied by 1.17, which could be done by installing 3.92 gears instead of the 3.36 Titan XD:

7-spd: 4.89 3.17 2.03 1.41 1.00 0.86 0.78
6R80: 4.89 2.74 1.78 1.33 1.00 ----- 0.81

So yeah, basically the 6r80 with an extra gear jambed right before 6th. Nissan 6.1 speed.
At least the engine will be awesome.

 

[WireNut]

I drove the gasser Pro4x yesterday and I really like it. For a big truck it was still fun to drive. The transmission felt similar to or previous generation, it always seemed to be in the right gear, with very quick/solid shifts.....completely different than the GM 5.3 6 speed experience.

I think I will be getting an SV at the end of the year.

Do the math. By the time you add the Utility package and the comfort/conv. Package, at 3700, you can add just a little more and get the Pro4x, with the Rockford Fosgate system. That alone is almost worth it.

 

[Bisley45]

Do the math. By the time you add the Utility package and the comfort/conv. Package, at 3700, you can add just a little more and get the Pro4x, with the Rockford Fosgate system. That alone is almost worth it.

I think its about 3500 extra. The way I figure the SV 4X4 should be about 45kMSRP. I think that truck can be bought latter this year for about 35K. The only thing I would want from the PRO4X package is the radio...and to get the RF package thats an additional 1100 package.

The Gas PRO4X I drove had a pay load sticker of 2094, I bet the SV is a bit higher.. I'll need all the room I can get for the couple times a year I tow heavy.

 

[dieselcraig]

I think its about 3500 extra. The way I figure the SV 4X4 should be about 45kMSRP. I think that truck can be bought latter this year for about 35K. The only thing I would want from the PRO4X package is the radio...and to get the RF package thats an additional 1100 package.

The Gas PRO4X I drove had a pay load sticker of 2094, I bet the SV is a bit higher.. I'll need all the room I can get for the couple times a year I tow heavy.

^^^^ this. I am hoping that we can get the SV, crew, diesel 4X4 for around $37,000 OTD around memorial day 2017. lease will be up then. :smile2:

 

[nihilus]

Looks like C&D has some new pricing info on the 2017 F-250: http://blog.caranddriver.com/2017-ford-f-250-super-duty-sees-price-increases-of-150-to-5070/

I added $2800 to the prices to convert them all to 4x4 which was the stated cost. All are 6.2L gas prices with Screw 6.5 ft bed.
The standard cab config only added $1k or less vs the 2016 models
Scab and Screw models added around $3k. The Platinium added over $5k but looks to have separated itself from the King Ranch, unlike before.
Ford F-250 // Nissan Titan XD

XL $40,125 // S $38,290
XLT $45,230 // SV $42,010
-------------- // Pro 4x $45,970
Lariat $51,430 // SL $50,030
KR $58,255 // PR $55,520
Platinum $66,105 // ----

Price looks to be in The XDs favor a bit depending on how the features line up. The new super Duty is pricing the Reg cabs aggressively to stay dominant in the work truck category. The XD will be a tougher sell here.
Diesel adds $8600 to the Ford and only $5k to the XD, but those are not really in the same class.

 

[nihilus]

dammit wrong thread

 

[digitalbliss]

FYI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPD5C8V9_6Y

 

[FJC-4x4]

Nice. Always entertaining to watch.
But the methodology should be modified to use two trailers instead of one at a time.
You can't compare the numbers if you don't drive the same truck trim, at the same time and in the same conditions: wind and temperature (86F vs 95F).

 

[digitalbliss]

 

[nihilus]

Thanks for adding this to the thread, digitalbliss. Your last link needs fixing btw. It wasn't a perfect test, but much better than most do. The diesel was about 10% better towing and empty, and the testers agree that the $5k premium for diesel is not worth it. That goes double after seeing the poor turbo diesel performance on the IKE, which is high altitude. Closer to sea level, the 5.6 will have an even bigger advantage.
Many will still hold the claim that the diesel is more reliable. We are seeing evidence that this may not be the case, at least for the XD. Other than the tailgate and paint issues, it seems that all of the problems posted here come from the Allison/cummins, whether major mechanical or simple anoyances like shuddering.

 

[Kadoi]

Many will still hold the claim that the diesel is more reliable. We are seeing evidence that this may not be the case, at least for the XD. Other than the tailgate and paint issues, it seems that all of the problems posted here come from the Allison/cummins, whether major mechanical or simple anoyances like shuddering.

Who is we and what evidence is being seen? Evidence does not support a "may" or "may not" be situation. Evidence supports an "is" or "is not" situation. You cannot make claims like this and then enjoy the freedom from responsibility by not taking a stance on your own statement. That is absurd.

And none of these trucks have the required hours or miles to even begin to gather a perception of reliability - Initial quality yes, reliability 100% false.

Also, what is your classification or major? I garuntee it is not the correct classification, because if that where the case WE THE FORUM would have heard of some sort of catastrophic failure with either the engine or transmission that would have required something besides a TCM/ECM Flash/Replacement.

Quit stirring the pot.

 

[nihilus]

My last post said major problems OR simple annoyances, which things like reflashes, tcm, shuddering fall under. There has been major mechanical as well. Using a smart phone and dont feel like linking the threads.
Sheesh! The diesel defense force was quick on that one.

 

[Kadoi]

Quote:
Originally Posted by nihilus View Post
Many will still hold the claim that the diesel is more reliable. We are seeing evidence that this may not be the case, at least for the XD. Other than the tailgate and paint issues, it seems that all of the problems posted here come from the Allison/cummins, whether major mechanical or simple anoyances like shuddering.
My last post said major problems OR simple annoyances, which things like reflashes, tcm, shuddering fall under. There has been major mechanical as well. Using a smart phone and dont feel like linking the threads.
Sheesh! The diesel defense force was quick on that one.

 

[Sentential]

My last post said major problems OR simple annoyances, which things like reflashes, tcm, shuddering fall under. There has been major mechanical as well. Using a smart phone and dont feel like linking the threads.
Sheesh! The diesel defense force was quick on that one.

Honestly as far as vehicles go the things mentioned here are pretty tame compared to other manufacturers. So far it has been my experience that Nissan has if anything overreacted to any negative criticism regarding problems with the truck. I've had several brands before and honestly they've done a really good job on a truck that is completely unproven for almost every component aside from the frame it shares with the NV3500.

It's certainly way better than Mazda or GM who prefer to bury their heads in the sand and hope the problem goes away. Just look at all the bad press the new Tahoe/Suburban/Yukon is getting right now with the roof buffeting problems or Mazda with their injector fouling problems; don't get me started on Ford's trannys either.

For all the problems mentioned here in the forum at least they seem receptive about fixing it. Plus a year or two from now there "technically" isn't anything stopping them from releasing a final ECU tune that could significantly boost HP like Ford did with the Powerstroke 6.7.

Undoubtedly if you want a more proven platform go with the Endurance 5.6. It's been around forever in the Patrol and has a fabulous track record which cannot be said of the ISV....yet. It's way too early to be writing its obituary; Cummins has a very good track record in general and honestly only time will tell.

 

[nihilus]

Lets not forget about those losing power when there is still about 5 gallons of diesel left (with an already small tank). Oh, and of coarse, the complaints of smelling diesel. Hard to put a price on that one.
Then again, we can ignore all of that and wait to see which engine lasts past 300k which is the ONLY thing that matters, it seems.